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Born November 30, 1984, in Sofia, Bulgaria.
EDUCATION:University of Michigan, B.A.; Sarah Lawrence College, M.F.A.
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Academy of American Poets, New York, NY, senior content editor. Has taught creative writing and literature at Bennington College, Columbia University, and Rutgers University-New Brunswick. Founder of Wilde Boys, gay literary salon. 2009-13, and Night Call, multimedia poetry project, 2014.
AWARDS:Stanley Kunitz Prize, American Poetry Review, 2011; Pushcart Prize.
WRITINGS
Author of online chapbook American Boys, 2012. Poetry published in journals, including Poetry, Yale Review, Kenyon Review, Slate, Tin House, Boston Review, and American Poetry Review.
SIDELIGHTS
Alex Dimitrov is a poet, teacher, and senior content editor at the Academy of American Poets, where he edits the online series Poem-a-Day and American Poets magazine. He ran a gay literary group, Wilde Boys, from 2009 to 2013, and in 2014 he launched Night Call, a multimedia project in which he reads poems to strangers from his bed. “I’m interested in connecting with readers and strangers through poetry,” he told Quietus online interviewer Richard Scott. “I want to create real intimacy with my poems. Whether I do that through pulling from my personal life or using my fantasy life—or say history, whether that history is personal history or our collective histories—what’s important is that an experience is created. An experience that will hopefully matter to people and feel real. I want my poems to move people and make them want to live their lives, however complicated and impossible those lives may be.”
Begging for It
Begging for It, Dimitrov’s first collection of poetry, does appear to reflect his personal history. The book is “basically twenty-seven years of my life and my experiences with love, lust…the things you name, all of that in one book,” he told Christopher Soto in an interview published at the Poetry Society of America’s website. “I threw everything of myself and how I understood the world into that book. My 20s are in that book. Everything before my 20s is in it.” He explores love and sex in such poems as “A Lover’s Discourse” and “Sleeping with Everyone.” His poems reflect an era of freedom for same-sex love, with laws against homosexual activity struck down, acceptance of gay people at a historic high, and AIDS no longer a certain death sentence. He also invokes his love of literature, with references to writers including essayist Susan Sontag and poet Hart Crane, and literary characters including Lady Brett Ashley of The Sun Also Rises and Daisy Buchanan of The Great Gatsby. The book is illustrated with several portraits of Dimitrov in drag.
Begging for It received several positive reviews. “Dimitrov is a vital new energy in American poetry, one who loves us, degrades us, gives us what we want, what we need, what we can’t live without,” remarked Jeremy Glazier in the online Los Angeles Review of Books. “He reminds us that we can be lonely and love it.” Glazier further noted: “These are carpe diem poems for the 21st century.” A Publishers Weekly critic observed that Dimitrov’s “passionate, glamorous, and accessible debut certainly holds delights.”
Together and by Ourselves
Dimitrov’s second collection, Together and by Ourselves, finds him in a different place in his life. He could not repeat the subject matter of Begging for It, he told Soto, adding: “Stylistically I’m also interested in surprising myself and describing the world in a different way, describing what it feels like to be a person in a different way.” Partly, he said, that involves getting outside the self. “I’m only interested in the self as a gateway to other things…like pleasure, religion, death, culture, personal and collective histories, celebrity, and so on,” he told Soto. He continued: “I try to get the self out of the way as much as possible. In the first book I did that by excessively examining the self until it exploded, until there was nothing left…and now I’m more interested in blurring it, erasing it…throwing something over it.” He examines a variety of subjects, including his travels between New York and Los Angeles, and celebrities living and dead, such as actresses Lindsay Lohan and Marilyn Monroe, and Kennedy family scion-publishing entrepreneur John F. Kennedy, Jr. He looks at the discrepancies between a person’s public persona and what his or her real life may be like, and at the connections and the disconnections between individuals.
Some critics found Together and by Ourselves a rich collection that reflects the poet’s artistic and emotional growth. “Dimitrov’s obsessions—loneliness, knowledge, intimacy, time—do mist his early work, but in Together and by Ourselves they are fully-throated, devastatingly apprehended, like a dialogue between lovers that finally reaches an apex,” commented Nathan Blansett in the online Adroit Journal. The book is a “resounding pleasure,” Blansett related, adding: “The adjectives readily assemble themselves, but do little to replicate the unique and original experience of reading his work.” In the Los Angeles Review of Books, Aaron Goldsman reported: “I’m tempted to call this new collection ‘mature’: thoughtful, focused, and confident in its voice. My only caveat is that, while maturation suggests a line of development with an implied destination, a working toward self-realization and adulthood, Dimitrov’s poems don’t seem terribly concerned about arriving anywhere in particular. Like their peripatetic speaker, they are most themselves in flux and on the move, intimate and strange like a one night stand.” A Publishers Weekly contributor remarked that Dimitrov “instills palpable emotional yearning in his readers, as if you’re a tourist inside your own life,” further noting that his work often “glows.”
BIOCRIT
PERIODICALS
Publishers Weekly, February 25, 2013, review of Begging for It, p. 143; March 27, 2017, review of Together and by Ourselves. p. 76.
ONLINE
Academy of American Poets Website, https://www.poets.org/ (November 18, 2017), brief biography.
Adroit Journal, http://www.theadroitjournal.org/ (April 24, 2017), Nathan Blansett, review of Together and by Ourselves.
Alex Dimitrov Home Page, http://alexdimitrov.tumblr.com (November 18, 2017).
Four Way Books Website, https://fourwaybooks.com/ (November 18, 2017), brief biography.
Lambda Literary Website, https://www.lambdaliterary.org/ (August 4, 2010), Jason Schneiderman, “Alex Dimitrov, Wilde Boy.”
Los Angeles Review of Books, https://lareviewofbooks.org (May 6, 2013), Jeremy Glazier, review of Begging for It; (May 11, 2017), Aaron Goldsman, review of Together and by Ourselves.
Poetry Foundation Website, https://www.poetryfoundation.org/ (November 18, 2017), brief biography.
Poetry Society of America Website, https://www.poetrysociety.org/ (November 18, 2017), Christopher Soto, interview with Alex Dimitrov.
Quietus, http://thequietus.com/ (May 25, 2014), Richard Scott, “Nothing to Say about Queer Identity: Alex Dimitrov Interviewed.”
Alex Dimitrov is the author of two collections of poems, Together and by Ourselves, forthcoming from Copper Canyon Press in April of 2017, Begging for It (Four Way Books, 2013), and the online chapbook American Boys (Floating Wolf Quarterly, 2012). He is the recipient of the Stanley Kunitz Prize from the American Poetry Review and a Pushcart Prize. He has taught creative writing and literature at Bennington College, Columbia University, and Rutgers University-New Brunswick. He is the Senior Content Editor at the Academy of American Poets where he edits the popular online series Poem-a-Day and American Poets magazine. In 2009 Dimitrov founded Wilde Boys, a queer poetry salon which he ran until 2013 in New York City, where he lives.
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Alex Dimitrov is the author of Together and by Ourselves (Copper Canyon Press, 2017), Begging for It (Four Way Books, 2013), and the online chapbook American Boys (2012). He is the recipient of the Stanley Kunitz Prize from the American Poetry Review and a Pushcart Prize.
Dimitrov has taught creative writing and literature at Bennington College, Columbia University and Rutgers University-New Brunswick. He is the Senior Content Editor at the Academy of American Poets where he edits the popular online series Poem-a-Day and American Poets magazine. In 2009 Dimitrov founded Wilde Boys, a queer poetry salon which he ran until 2013 in New York City, where he lives.
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Alex Dimitrov (born November 30, 1984) is an American poet living in New York City.[1]
Contents [hide]
1 Early life
2 Career
2.1 Wilde Boys
3 Bibliography
4 References
5 External links
Early life[edit]
Dimitrov is a first-generation immigrant, born in Sofia, Bulgaria, and raised in Detroit, Michigan. His parents fled a Communist Bulgaria shortly before the fall of the Berlin Wall. He attended the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, where he studied with the poet Anne Carson, and received a BA in English and Film Studies in 2007. In 2009 he received an MFA in poetry from Sarah Lawrence College, where he studied with the poet Marie Howe.[2]
Career[edit]
Dimitrov is the recipient of the Stanley Kunitz Prize from the American Poetry Review and a Pushcart Prize.[3] His first full-length book of poems is Begging for It, published by Four Way Books in March 2013,[4] and he is also the author of American Boys, an online chapbook published by Floating Wolf Quarterly in June 2012, which included poems, childhood photographs, and digital ephemera such as screencaps of text messages and other images from modern methods of communication and connection.[5]
His second book of poems, Together and by Ourselves,[6] was published by Copper Canyon Press in 2017.
Dimitrov's poems have been published in Poetry,[7] The Yale Review,[8] The Kenyon Review,[9]American Poetry Review, Slate,[10] Tin House, Boston Review,[11] Poetry Daily, Verse Daily and other publications.
He is the Senior Content Editor at the Academy of American Poets,[12] where he edits the popular online series Poem-a-Day and American Poets magazine, and has taught creative writing at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, Marymount Manhattan College, and Bennington College.
In February 2014 Dimitrov launched Night Call, a multimedia poetry project through which he read poems to strangers in person and online.[13][14] Some of the components of the project included a video and a poem both titled Night Call.
Wilde Boys[edit]
On May 27, 2009, days after graduating from Sarah Lawrence College, Dimitrov founded Wilde Boys, a queer poetry salon that brought together emerging and established poets and writers in New York City.[15][16]
Since then, Dimitrov has hosted the following writers: John Ashbery, Frank Bidart, Gabrielle Calvocoressi, Henri Cole, CAConrad, Michael Cunningham, Mark Doty, Louise Glück, Jorie Graham, Richard Howard, Marie Howe, Wayne Koestenbaum, Dorothea Lasky, Timothy Liu, Daniel Mendelsohn, Eileen Myles, Carl Phillips, Brenda Shaughnessy, David Trinidad, and Edmund White. Public readings for the salon have included poets Mark Bibbins, Tom Healy, Saeed Jones, Paul Legault, Dante Michaeux, Angelo Nikolopoulos, Jason Schneiderman, and Mark Wunderlich.[17]
Dimitrov has also held salons focusing on recovering the work of queer poets Joe Brainard, Tim Dlugos, Leland Hickman and Reginald Shepherd. A salon was also held in honor of the work of Elizabeth Bishop, with special guests Richard Howard and Gabrielle Calvocoressi.[18]
Wilde Boys ended on November 1, 2013.[19]
Bibliography[edit]
Together and by Ourselves, 2017 (Copper Canyon Press)
Begging for It, 2013 (Four Way Books)
American Boys, 2012 (Floating Wolf Quarterly)
References[edit]
Jump up ^ Huguenin, Patrick (2011-11-02). "The Wilde Boys Salon, for Poetry or Maybe a Hot Date". The New York Times.
Jump up ^ Teicher, Jordan (2011-06-23). "New York writers with MFA begin new chapter with readings and projects". New York Daily News.
Jump up ^ "Raise Your Glass: Alex Dimitrov's "Cocaine" Wins Pushcart Prize". The Adroit Journal.
Jump up ^ Rathe, Adam (2012-05-22). "Hot List 2012: Alex Dimitrov". OUT Magazine.
Jump up ^ Fitzpatrick, Jameson (2012-06-08). "Slow Lightning, American Boys, Pier Queen". Next Magazine.
Jump up ^ https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/pages/browse/book.asp?bg={7C75AFF0-50F8-4092-9541-A8086404DF0A}
Jump up ^ Dimitrov, Alex (2012-1). "Together and by Ourselves". Poetry. Check date values in: |date= (help)
Jump up ^ Dimitrov, Alex (2012-1). "Bloodletting". The Yale Review. Check date values in: |date= (help)
Jump up ^ Dimitrov, Alex (March 2011). "The Composer's Lover". The Kenyon Review.
Jump up ^ Dimitrov, Alex (2012-02-21). "Dear Friend: I have nearly died three times since morning". Slate.
Jump up ^ Dimitrov, Alex (August 2011). "Passage". Boston Review.
Jump up ^ "Staff - Poets.org - Poetry, Poems, Bios & More". Poets.org.
Jump up ^ Dimitrov, Alex (2014-02-14). "Night Call". Author's website.
Jump up ^ Certa, Sarah (2014-02-13). "Being in Bed with Strangers: An Interview with Alex Dimitrov". Fanzine.
Jump up ^ McDaniel, Jeffrey (2012-08-08). "Into the Wilde". Poetry Foundation.
Jump up ^ Schneiderman, Jason (2010-08-04). "Alex Dimitrov, Wilde Boy". Lambda Literary.
Jump up ^ Liptak, Nick (2011-03-18). "The Wilde Boys Read Elizabeth Bishop". The Paris Review.
Jump up ^ Edwards, B.C. (2011-06-16). "The Wilde Boys". BOMB.
Jump up ^ Dimitrov, Alex (2013-11-01). "Wilde Boys". Author's Website.
External links[edit]
Begging for It
American Boys, an echapbook by Alex Dimitrov
The L Mag Questionnaire for Writer Types: Alex Dimitrov, The L Magazine, 15. Sept, 2011
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Alex Dimitrov is the author of Begging for It (Four Way Books, 2013), the online chapbook American Boys (Floating Wolf Quarterly, 2012), and a second collection of poems forthcoming from Copper Canyon Press. He is the founder of Wilde Boys, a queer poetry salon active in New York City from 2009 to 2013. His poems have been published in Poetry, The Yale Review, Kenyon Review, Slate, Tin House, Boston Review, and the American Poetry Review, which awarded him the Stanley Kunitz Prize in 2011. He received a BA in English and film studies from the University of Michigan and an MFA in poetry from Sarah Lawrence College.
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Alex Dimitrov, Wilde Boy
by Jason Schneiderman
August 4, 2010
I don’t remember quite how I met Alex Dimitrov (right, with Zachary Pace), only that once we started spending time together, I realized that he was a force of nature. When he first mentioned his idea for the Wilde Boys, a salon for gay male poets in New York, I was supportive but skeptical. Every salon I had ever gone to always seemed to turn into an un-moderated workshop, and as a workshop instructor, it seemed more like an extension of my workday than a pleasurable evening out. But Alex proved me delightfully wrong, and the Wilde Boys are truly salons—discussion groups that yield exciting and compelling conversation, as well as providing introduction to wonderful poets. Alex has just finished an MFA at Sarah Lawrence, and his poems are forthcoming in the Boston Review, Yale Review, and New York Quarterly. Others have recently appeared in the annual Best New Poets anthology, Linebreak, The Awl , and La Fovea. He works at the Academy of American Poets, frequently writes for Poets & Writers magazine, and tweets @alexdimitrov.
His poems are personal and direct, driven by personas that he beautifully conjures out of autobiography, pop culture, and the traditions of American poetry.
JS: Congratulations on the one year anniversary of Wilde Boys! How do you describe Wilde Boys when someone asks what it is?
AD: Thank you. Most nights Wilde Boys feels like an endless bacchanalia where the gods are poets like Frank O’Hara, James Merrill, John Ashbery—and we celebrate them and argue about them, and try to figure out what it is we’re doing as young, queer poets writing after them. Many of the boys are in MFA programs in or around New York City, some have graduated, others are thinking of going—and of course, there are poets like yourself who can tell us about some of the experiences one goes through as a poet just starting out.
JS: That makes me sound dangerously like a role model—but I’ll admit that I love knowing writers who are still in or just out of MFA programs. It’s supposed to be such a glamorous and easy phase, but I remember it as a very hard time. I’m amazed by how much you guys seem to have accomplished. Alex, you’ve gathered such a brilliant group of achievers. It’s really an amazing group.
AD: It is a very hard time, that post-MFA period, a very confusing time. And yet a lot of things are just beginning to happen. Everything feels impossible and possible at the same time, you know? What’s exciting to me is that everyone in Wilde Boys is doing their own thing while remaining inclusive. Zachary Pace, who was my classmate at Sarah Lawrence, started Projection, which is a fantastic reading series at the Center for Performance Research in Brooklyn, where the text of the poem is projected behind the poet. Paul Legault, who I work with at the Academy of American Poets, has a first book of poems called The Madeleine Poems, coming out this fall. He also recently started a translation journal called Telephone. Angelo Nikolopoulos runs the White Swallow Reading Series at the Cornelia Street Café in the West Village, where we had our first Wilde Boys reading with Mark Doty this past February. All of these guys are doing great things.
It’s also important to have role models and friends who will listen to more than your “workshop” questions. Tom Healy and Mark Bibbins are two poets who have been supportive of Wilde Boys from the beginning, when I had no clue what I was doing, or how I would pull it off. The salon is really about an artistic community and bringing people together. I think that’s one of the most powerful things about poetry, and art in general—when you realize it’s not just the poems that can transform you but the friendships themselves. I’m lucky because that way of understanding art and life was instilled in me by my teacher, Marie Howe. And it’s something that her teacher, Stanley Kunitz, really believed in. And he started Poets House, isn’t that amazing? That’s a very tangible impact his life and work have had—he’s given us a place where we can write and think and talk to one another. I’m indebted to that idea—his idea of the tribe, tribal recognition.
JS: The gatherings are fantastic. How did you decide to start the group? Did you have any models (like “The Violet Quill”) in mind?
AD: When I came to New York in 2007, having just graduated from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, I had this fantasy that I’d be entering a bohemian scene of poets and writers where all we’d do is chain smoke, have sex, and write our own manifestos. Well, that was the fantasy. In reality, the MFA programs in New York really had a lot to do with shaping the community of young writers. The Columbia kids stayed uptown, the NYU and New School kids had their own clique downtown, and Sarah Lawrence was all the way in Bronxville, so there was the risk of detachment. I really didn’t believe in this kind of separation—by program or aesthetic, or because we lived however many blocks away from one another.
The idea for a salon seemed like the right one because I wanted to bring everyone together and create a scene that had nothing to do with MFA politics and everything to do with a ferocious curiosity about poetry. It wasn’t going to be about workshopping but talking about great poems, reading great poems out loud to each other, and figuring out how we could write our own. I remember sitting in front of the Hudson River and sort of daydreaming with Zach Pace. He was telling me how he really wanted to start Projection but wasn’t sure if it would work, and I was telling him about the salon and this idea of creating our own scene, like Edmund White and The Violet Quill, and Frank O’Hara and the New York School poets. In a way, Wilde Boys and Projection were born on the same day, in the same conversation. So much about starting something is allowing yourself to think big and take a risk and fail. Anne Carson, who was one of my teachers in college, always used to say that failure can be as interesting as the experiment itself. And she always encouraged me to do whatever I wanted, whatever I believed in.
JS: How has Wilde Boys been different from what you envisioned?
AD: The salon has really taken a life of its own, which is well beyond what I envisioned for it. In that way, it feels like a success. You can put twenty people in a room together and start talking about a poem you’ve all read, but that’s not very interesting unless those people are bringing their own personalities and ambitions into the mix. So it also takes a certain amount of disclosure, of getting personal and being real. Which, in a way, is what poetry is all about. And who can do that in a graduate workshop at ten in the morning? I couldn’t. It also really helps that the salons are held at people’s apartments—Tom Healy, Mark Bibbins, Billy Merrell, Matthew Hittinger, we had it at your place once, and Paul Legault and Stephen Motika are next to host. I really wish I could host it every time but I live in the tiniest Lower East Side apartment with my friend Rachel and our cat Marcello. We’d be able to fit only three Wilde Boys, as opposed to the twenty or so who usually come.
JS: I wanted to ask about the gay (or queer) aspect of the salon—have people been resistant to you opening it up beyond just gay men (as you did when you invited women), or felt excluded? Are there any tensions you see between an older “gay” crowd and a younger “queer” crowd? I’m impressed by your ability to maintain a certain kind of identity politics without falling into the obvious pitfalls of exclusivity or assumption. I’d love to hear your thoughts on what is and isn’t important about creating a space for gay male poets to gather.
AD: The salon was never meant to be exclusive to men, though I always envisioned it as a “queer” space. And I think that more diversity, whether we are talking about gender or in terms of inviting people from other disciplines, like musicians or scholars—that makes it all the more queer to me. It’s funny you use the term “identity politics,” which is so polarizing and old fashioned today. Perhaps it always was. I do think identities matter, and they have real power and implications in our daily lives. It would be foolish to deny that. In that sense, I don’t really believe in the post-gay, post-feminism, post-identity politics fad where our differences are erased and assimilated into norms. There is power in difference, as there is power in unity. But I also don’t believe in identities as things which limit us. Everything can be exploded, transformed.
JS: Sorting it out too much can be dangerous—I feel strongly that there’s power for us in a specifically gay male space, but I agree that it doesn’t have to be an exclusively gay male space (and it’s kind of nice when it’s not, even though it’s kind of nice when it is). How do you feel that being gay has shaped your writing? Obviously, it’s nice to know other writers, and other gay writers, but can I put you on the spot and ask you to generalize? What do you see as the commonality among the gay poets you’ve so brilliantly gathered under one roof? How does what we share in terms of desire and experience shape the ways in which we write and read?
AD: I’m always the one asking this question in the salons and I never feel bad about putting poets on the spot. But now that you’ve asked—I hate it! It’s an impossible question. And a really important one. In terms of how being gay has shaped my work—I’m not really sure there are gay poems, just gay poets. A book like James L. White’s The Salt Ecstacies, which Mark Doty just edited as a reissue for Graywolf, is really important to me because of its explicit treatment of gay desire. That doesn’t mean there isn’t restraint, or coding, or artifice. All of those things are very queer. My favorite thing in a poem, and what I always work toward, is a kind of hand-over-the-mouth-jeans-unzipped level of restraint. It’s sexy. It’s how you get dates and how good poems happen.
But back to what I was trying to explain. Carl Phillips says this really great thing about James L. White’s book—”it’s arguable that Dante’s Inferno is better literature, but Dante couldn’t have given me what White did.” I mean, exactly! Reading The Salt Ecstacies changed my life as a gay person and as a poet in a way that few books have. Being able to speak to that part of us which feels isolated, and somehow longs to be part of the world at the same time, that’s very human. And that’s what White does. And is it a gay book? Yeah, totally. Did I just put myself in a corner by calling those poems gay? Yeah, totally. But it’s also a book about trying to live with yourself. I’m more interested in that, rather than some kind of premeditated queerness.
JS: Impossible questions are the best ones to ask! I think that’s why we’re artists. We get to be wrong in beautiful ways. But it really is not a fair question—you can’t give an answer that’s not reductive. I think that poems and poets are always gay in their specificity. William Meredith and John Ashbery both play pronoun games that seem gay to me, but they couldn’t be more different in how. That’s the nice thing about the Wilde Boys gatherings: everyone is present in their irreducible gay specificity, and that’s always a pleasure. Do you have any big plans for Wilde Boys—an anthology? A cologne? A retreat? What has surprised you most about doing this?
AD: How receptive people have been has really surprised me. Like I said earlier, when you have an idea for something you never know if it’s going to work. But I think Wilde Boys is happening at the right moment. The poets of my generation are interested in actively forming an artistic community. And this one is in its early stages. But it’s happening, that’s what’s important. Forming these kinds of cliques may be harder for poets than other artists. Or so it seems. The poet as a figure always feels isolated to me, even from other poets. And it doesn’t have to be that way. That myth really bores me.
I think Wilde Boys will continue, even if only in the sense that I know I’ll see these boys and read their poems in journals then books, for some time in the future. Everyone’s asking me whether I’m going to start a Wilde Boys blog or a website, and you know, I’ve thought about it. But isn’t there enough of that these days? What seems to be lacking is genuine face-to-face interaction and engagement with art and people. That’s always been what I’ve envisioned for Wilde Boys. That and fantastic cocktails.
Photo: SM Hayhurst for homo-neurotic.com
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August 4, 2010I don’t remember quite how I met Alex Dimitrov (right, with Zachary Pace), only that once we started spending time together, I realized that he was a force of nature. When he first mentioned his idea for the Wilde Boys, a salon for gay male poets in New York, I was supportive but skeptical. Every salon I had ever gone to always seemed to turn into an un-moderated workshop, and as a workshop instructor, it seemed more like an extension of my workday than a pleasurable evening out. But Alex proved me delightfully wrong, and the Wilde Boys are truly salons—discussion groups that yield exciting and compelling conversation, as well as providing introduction to wonderful poets. Alex has just finished an MFA at Sarah Lawrence, and his poems are forthcoming in the Boston Review, Yale Review, and New York Quarterly. Others have recently appeared in the annual Best New Poets anthology, Linebreak, The Awl , and La Fovea. He works at the Academy of American Poets, frequently writes for Poets & Writers magazine, and tweets @alexdimitrov.
His poems are personal and direct, driven by personas that he beautifully conjures out of autobiography, pop culture, and the traditions of American poetry.
JS: Congratulations on the one year anniversary of Wilde Boys! How do you describe Wilde Boys when someone asks what it is?
AD: Thank you. Most nights Wilde Boys feels like an endless bacchanalia where the gods are poets like Frank O’Hara, James Merrill, John Ashbery—and we celebrate them and argue about them, and try to figure out what it is we’re doing as young, queer poets writing after them. Many of the boys are in MFA programs in or around New York City, some have graduated, others are thinking of going—and of course, there are poets like yourself who can tell us about some of the experiences one goes through as a poet just starting out.
JS: That makes me sound dangerously like a role model—but I’ll admit that I love knowing writers who are still in or just out of MFA programs. It’s supposed to be such a glamorous and easy phase, but I remember it as a very hard time. I’m amazed by how much you guys seem to have accomplished. Alex, you’ve gathered such a brilliant group of achievers. It’s really an amazing group.
AD: It is a very hard time, that post-MFA period, a very confusing time. And yet a lot of things are just beginning to happen. Everything feels impossible and possible at the same time, you know? What’s exciting to me is that everyone in Wilde Boys is doing their own thing while remaining inclusive. Zachary Pace, who was my classmate at Sarah Lawrence, started Projection, which is a fantastic reading series at the Center for Performance Research in Brooklyn, where the text of the poem is projected behind the poet. Paul Legault, who I work with at the Academy of American Poets, has a first book of poems called The Madeleine Poems, coming out this fall. He also recently started a translation journal called Telephone. Angelo Nikolopoulos runs the White Swallow Reading Series at the Cornelia Street Café in the West Village, where we had our first Wilde Boys reading with Mark Doty this past February. All of these guys are doing great things.
It’s also important to have role models and friends who will listen to more than your “workshop” questions. Tom Healy and Mark Bibbins are two poets who have been supportive of Wilde Boys from the beginning, when I had no clue what I was doing, or how I would pull it off. The salon is really about an artistic community and bringing people together. I think that’s one of the most powerful things about poetry, and art in general—when you realize it’s not just the poems that can transform you but the friendships themselves. I’m lucky because that way of understanding art and life was instilled in me by my teacher, Marie Howe. And it’s something that her teacher, Stanley Kunitz, really believed in. And he started Poets House, isn’t that amazing? That’s a very tangible impact his life and work have had—he’s given us a place where we can write and think and talk to one another. I’m indebted to that idea—his idea of the tribe, tribal recognition.
JS: The gatherings are fantastic. How did you decide to start the group? Did you have any models (like “The Violet Quill”) in mind?
AD: When I came to New York in 2007, having just graduated from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, I had this fantasy that I’d be entering a bohemian scene of poets and writers where all we’d do is chain smoke, have sex, and write our own manifestos. Well, that was the fantasy. In reality, the MFA programs in New York really had a lot to do with shaping the community of young writers. The Columbia kids stayed uptown, the NYU and New School kids had their own clique downtown, and Sarah Lawrence was all the way in Bronxville, so there was the risk of detachment. I really didn’t believe in this kind of separation—by program or aesthetic, or because we lived however many blocks away from one another.
The idea for a salon seemed like the right one because I wanted to bring everyone together and create a scene that had nothing to do with MFA politics and everything to do with a ferocious curiosity about poetry. It wasn’t going to be about workshopping but talking about great poems, reading great poems out loud to each other, and figuring out how we could write our own. I remember sitting in front of the Hudson River and sort of daydreaming with Zach Pace. He was telling me how he really wanted to start Projection but wasn’t sure if it would work, and I was telling him about the salon and this idea of creating our own scene, like Edmund White and The Violet Quill, and Frank O’Hara and the New York School poets. In a way, Wilde Boys and Projection were born on the same day, in the same conversation. So much about starting something is allowing yourself to think big and take a risk and fail. Anne Carson, who was one of my teachers in college, always used to say that failure can be as interesting as the experiment itself. And she always encouraged me to do whatever I wanted, whatever I believed in.
JS: How has Wilde Boys been different from what you envisioned?
AD: The salon has really taken a life of its own, which is well beyond what I envisioned for it. In that way, it feels like a success. You can put twenty people in a room together and start talking about a poem you’ve all read, but that’s not very interesting unless those people are bringing their own personalities and ambitions into the mix. So it also takes a certain amount of disclosure, of getting personal and being real. Which, in a way, is what poetry is all about. And who can do that in a graduate workshop at ten in the morning? I couldn’t. It also really helps that the salons are held at people’s apartments—Tom Healy, Mark Bibbins, Billy Merrell, Matthew Hittinger, we had it at your place once, and Paul Legault and Stephen Motika are next to host. I really wish I could host it every time but I live in the tiniest Lower East Side apartment with my friend Rachel and our cat Marcello. We’d be able to fit only three Wilde Boys, as opposed to the twenty or so who usually come.
JS: I wanted to ask about the gay (or queer) aspect of the salon—have people been resistant to you opening it up beyond just gay men (as you did when you invited women), or felt excluded? Are there any tensions you see between an older “gay” crowd and a younger “queer” crowd? I’m impressed by your ability to maintain a certain kind of identity politics without falling into the obvious pitfalls of exclusivity or assumption. I’d love to hear your thoughts on what is and isn’t important about creating a space for gay male poets to gather.
AD: The salon was never meant to be exclusive to men, though I always envisioned it as a “queer” space. And I think that more diversity, whether we are talking about gender or in terms of inviting people from other disciplines, like musicians or scholars—that makes it all the more queer to me. It’s funny you use the term “identity politics,” which is so polarizing and old fashioned today. Perhaps it always was. I do think identities matter, and they have real power and implications in our daily lives. It would be foolish to deny that. In that sense, I don’t really believe in the post-gay, post-feminism, post-identity politics fad where our differences are erased and assimilated into norms. There is power in difference, as there is power in unity. But I also don’t believe in identities as things which limit us. Everything can be exploded, transformed.
JS: Sorting it out too much can be dangerous—I feel strongly that there’s power for us in a specifically gay male space, but I agree that it doesn’t have to be an exclusively gay male space (and it’s kind of nice when it’s not, even though it’s kind of nice when it is). How do you feel that being gay has shaped your writing? Obviously, it’s nice to know other writers, and other gay writers, but can I put you on the spot and ask you to generalize? What do you see as the commonality among the gay poets you’ve so brilliantly gathered under one roof? How does what we share in terms of desire and experience shape the ways in which we write and read?
AD: I’m always the one asking this question in the salons and I never feel bad about putting poets on the spot. But now that you’ve asked—I hate it! It’s an impossible question. And a really important one. In terms of how being gay has shaped my work—I’m not really sure there are gay poems, just gay poets. A book like James L. White’s The Salt Ecstacies, which Mark Doty just edited as a reissue for Graywolf, is really important to me because of its explicit treatment of gay desire. That doesn’t mean there isn’t restraint, or coding, or artifice. All of those things are very queer. My favorite thing in a poem, and what I always work toward, is a kind of hand-over-the-mouth-jeans-unzipped level of restraint. It’s sexy. It’s how you get dates and how good poems happen.
But back to what I was trying to explain. Carl Phillips says this really great thing about James L. White’s book—”it’s arguable that Dante’s Inferno is better literature, but Dante couldn’t have given me what White did.” I mean, exactly! Reading The Salt Ecstacies changed my life as a gay person and as a poet in a way that few books have. Being able to speak to that part of us which feels isolated, and somehow longs to be part of the world at the same time, that’s very human. And that’s what White does. And is it a gay book? Yeah, totally. Did I just put myself in a corner by calling those poems gay? Yeah, totally. But it’s also a book about trying to live with yourself. I’m more interested in that, rather than some kind of premeditated queerness.
JS: Impossible questions are the best ones to ask! I think that’s why we’re artists. We get to be wrong in beautiful ways. But it really is not a fair question—you can’t give an answer that’s not reductive. I think that poems and poets are always gay in their specificity. William Meredith and John Ashbery both play pronoun games that seem gay to me, but they couldn’t be more different in how. That’s the nice thing about the Wilde Boys gatherings: everyone is present in their irreducible gay specificity, and that’s always a pleasure. Do you have any big plans for Wilde Boys—an anthology? A cologne? A retreat? What has surprised you most about doing this?
AD: How receptive people have been has really surprised me. Like I said earlier, when you have an idea for something you never know if it’s going to work. But I think Wilde Boys is happening at the right moment. The poets of my generation are interested in actively forming an artistic community. And this one is in its early stages. But it’s happening, that’s what’s important. Forming these kinds of cliques may be harder for poets than other artists. Or so it seems. The poet as a figure always feels isolated to me, even from other poets. And it doesn’t have to be that way. That myth really bores me.
I think Wilde Boys will continue, even if only in the sense that I know I’ll see these boys and read their poems in journals then books, for some time in the future. Everyone’s asking me whether I’m going to start a Wilde Boys blog or a website, and you know, I’ve thought about it. But isn’t there enough of that these days? What seems to be lacking is genuine face-to-face interaction and engagement with art and people. That’s always been what I’ve envisioned for Wilde Boys. That and fantastic cocktails.
Photo: SM Hayhurst for homo-neurotic.com
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Jason Schneiderman is the author of Sublimation Point (Four Way Books) and Striking Surface (Ashland). He directs a tutoring center and lives in Brooklyn with his husband Michael Broder. www.jasonschneiderman.net
Tags: Alex Dimitrov, Jason Schneiderman, Wilde Boys
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DONATE Contact Us JOIN OUR NEWSLETTER ORGANIZATION AWARDS LITFEST WRITERS RETREAT WRITERS IN SCHOOL RESOURCES OUR SUPPORTERS THE REVIEW REVIEWS INTERVIEWS FEATURES EVENTS CALL FOR SUBMISSONS Alex Dimitrov, Wilde Boy by Jason Schneiderman August 4, 2010 I don’t remember quite how I met Alex Dimitrov (right, with Zachary Pace), only that once we started spending time together, I realized that he was a force of nature. When he first mentioned his idea for the Wilde Boys, a salon for gay male poets in New York, I was supportive but skeptical. Every salon I had ever gone to always seemed to turn into an un-moderated workshop, and as a workshop instructor, it seemed more like an extension of my workday than a pleasurable evening out. But Alex proved me delightfully wrong, and the Wilde Boys are truly salons—discussion groups that yield exciting and compelling conversation, as well as providing introduction to wonderful poets. Alex has just finished an MFA at Sarah Lawrence, and his poems are forthcoming in the Boston Review, Yale Review, and New York Quarterly. Others have recently appeared in the annual Best New Poets anthology, Linebreak, The Awl , and La Fovea. He works at the Academy of American Poets, frequently writes for Poets & Writers magazine, and tweets @alexdimitrov. His poems are personal and direct, driven by personas that he beautifully conjures out of autobiography, pop culture, and the traditions of American poetry. JS: Congratulations on the one year anniversary of Wilde Boys! How do you describe Wilde Boys when someone asks what it is? AD: Thank you. Most nights Wilde Boys feels like an endless bacchanalia where the gods are poets like Frank O’Hara, James Merrill, John Ashbery—and we celebrate them and argue about them, and try to figure out what it is we’re doing as young, queer poets writing after them. Many of the boys are in MFA programs in or around New York City, some have graduated, others are thinking of going—and of course, there are poets like yourself who can tell us about some of the experiences one goes through as a poet just starting out. JS: That makes me sound dangerously like a role model—but I’ll admit that I love knowing writers who are still in or just out of MFA programs. It’s supposed to be such a glamorous and easy phase, but I remember it as a very hard time. I’m amazed by how much you guys seem to have accomplished. Alex, you’ve gathered such a brilliant group of achievers. It’s really an amazing group. AD: It is a very hard time, that post-MFA period, a very confusing time. And yet a lot of things are just beginning to happen. Everything feels impossible and possible at the same time, you know? What’s exciting to me is that everyone in Wilde Boys is doing their own thing while remaining inclusive. Zachary Pace, who was my classmate at Sarah Lawrence, started Projection, which is a fantastic reading series at the Center for Performance Research in Brooklyn, where the text of the poem is projected behind the poet. Paul Legault, who I work with at the Academy of American Poets, has a first book of poems called The Madeleine Poems, coming out this fall. He also recently started a translation journal called Telephone. Angelo Nikolopoulos runs the White Swallow Reading Series at the Cornelia Street Café in the West Village, where we had our first Wilde Boys reading with Mark Doty this past February. All of these guys are doing great things. It’s also important to have role models and friends who will listen to more than your “workshop” questions. Tom Healy and Mark Bibbins are two poets who have been supportive of Wilde Boys from the beginning, when I had no clue what I was doing, or how I would pull it off. The salon is really about an artistic community and bringing people together. I think that’s one of the most powerful things about poetry, and art in general—when you realize it’s not just the poems that can transform you but the friendships themselves. I’m lucky because that way of understanding art and life was instilled in me by my teacher, Marie Howe. And it’s something that her teacher, Stanley Kunitz, really believed in. And he started Poets House, isn’t that amazing? That’s a very tangible impact his life and work have had—he’s given us a place where we can write and think and talk to one another. I’m indebted to that idea—his idea of the tribe, tribal recognition. JS: The gatherings are fantastic. How did you decide to start the group? Did you have any models (like “The Violet Quill”) in mind? AD: When I came to New York in 2007, having just graduated from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, I had this fantasy that I’d be entering a bohemian scene of poets and writers where all we’d do is chain smoke, have sex, and write our own manifestos. Well, that was the fantasy. In reality, the MFA programs in New York really had a lot to do with shaping the community of young writers. The Columbia kids stayed uptown, the NYU and New School kids had their own clique downtown, and Sarah Lawrence was all the way in Bronxville, so there was the risk of detachment. I really didn’t believe in this kind of separation—by program or aesthetic, or because we lived however many blocks away from one another. The idea for a salon seemed like the right one because I wanted to bring everyone together and create a scene that had nothing to do with MFA politics and everything to do with a ferocious curiosity about poetry. It wasn’t going to be about workshopping but talking about great poems, reading great poems out loud to each other, and figuring out how we could write our own. I remember sitting in front of the Hudson River and sort of daydreaming with Zach Pace. He was telling me how he really wanted to start Projection but wasn’t sure if it would work, and I was telling him about the salon and this idea of creating our own scene, like Edmund White and The Violet Quill, and Frank O’Hara and the New York School poets. In a way, Wilde Boys and Projection were born on the same day, in the same conversation. So much about starting something is allowing yourself to think big and take a risk and fail. Anne Carson, who was one of my teachers in college, always used to say that failure can be as interesting as the experiment itself. And she always encouraged me to do whatever I wanted, whatever I believed in. JS: How has Wilde Boys been different from what you envisioned? AD: The salon has really taken a life of its own, which is well beyond what I envisioned for it. In that way, it feels like a success. You can put twenty people in a room together and start talking about a poem you’ve all read, but that’s not very interesting unless those people are bringing their own personalities and ambitions into the mix. So it also takes a certain amount of disclosure, of getting personal and being real. Which, in a way, is what poetry is all about. And who can do that in a graduate workshop at ten in the morning? I couldn’t. It also really helps that the salons are held at people’s apartments—Tom Healy, Mark Bibbins, Billy Merrell, Matthew Hittinger, we had it at your place once, and Paul Legault and Stephen Motika are next to host. I really wish I could host it every time but I live in the tiniest Lower East Side apartment with my friend Rachel and our cat Marcello. We’d be able to fit only three Wilde Boys, as opposed to the twenty or so who usually come. JS: I wanted to ask about the gay (or queer) aspect of the salon—have people been resistant to you opening it up beyond just gay men (as you did when you invited women), or felt excluded? Are there any tensions you see between an older “gay” crowd and a younger “queer” crowd? I’m impressed by your ability to maintain a certain kind of identity politics without falling into the obvious pitfalls of exclusivity or assumption. I’d love to hear your thoughts on what is and isn’t important about creating a space for gay male poets to gather. AD: The salon was never meant to be exclusive to men, though I always envisioned it as a “queer” space. And I think that more diversity, whether we are talking about gender or in terms of inviting people from other disciplines, like musicians or scholars—that makes it all the more queer to me. It’s funny you use the term “identity politics,” which is so polarizing and old fashioned today. Perhaps it always was. I do think identities matter, and they have real power and implications in our daily lives. It would be foolish to deny that. In that sense, I don’t really believe in the post-gay, post-feminism, post-identity politics fad where our differences are erased and assimilated into norms. There is power in difference, as there is power in unity. But I also don’t believe in identities as things which limit us. Everything can be exploded, transformed. JS: Sorting it out too much can be dangerous—I feel strongly that there’s power for us in a specifically gay male space, but I agree that it doesn’t have to be an exclusively gay male space (and it’s kind of nice when it’s not, even though it’s kind of nice when it is). How do you feel that being gay has shaped your writing? Obviously, it’s nice to know other writers, and other gay writers, but can I put you on the spot and ask you to generalize? What do you see as the commonality among the gay poets you’ve so brilliantly gathered under one roof? How does what we share in terms of desire and experience shape the ways in which we write and read? AD: I’m always the one asking this question in the salons and I never feel bad about putting poets on the spot. But now that you’ve asked—I hate it! It’s an impossible question. And a really important one. In terms of how being gay has shaped my work—I’m not really sure there are gay poems, just gay poets. A book like James L. White’s The Salt Ecstacies, which Mark Doty just edited as a reissue for Graywolf, is really important to me because of its explicit treatment of gay desire. That doesn’t mean there isn’t restraint, or coding, or artifice. All of those things are very queer. My favorite thing in a poem, and what I always work toward, is a kind of hand-over-the-mouth-jeans-unzipped level of restraint. It’s sexy. It’s how you get dates and how good poems happen. But back to what I was trying to explain. Carl Phillips says this really great thing about James L. White’s book—”it’s arguable that Dante’s Inferno is better literature, but Dante couldn’t have given me what White did.” I mean, exactly! Reading The Salt Ecstacies changed my life as a gay person and as a poet in a way that few books have. Being able to speak to that part of us which feels isolated, and somehow longs to be part of the world at the same time, that’s very human. And that’s what White does. And is it a gay book? Yeah, totally. Did I just put myself in a corner by calling those poems gay? Yeah, totally. But it’s also a book about trying to live with yourself. I’m more interested in that, rather than some kind of premeditated queerness. JS: Impossible questions are the best ones to ask! I think that’s why we’re artists. We get to be wrong in beautiful ways. But it really is not a fair question—you can’t give an answer that’s not reductive. I think that poems and poets are always gay in their specificity. William Meredith and John Ashbery both play pronoun games that seem gay to me, but they couldn’t be more different in how. That’s the nice thing about the Wilde Boys gatherings: everyone is present in their irreducible gay specificity, and that’s always a pleasure. Do you have any big plans for Wilde Boys—an anthology? A cologne? A retreat? What has surprised you most about doing this? AD: How receptive people have been has really surprised me. Like I said earlier, when you have an idea for something you never know if it’s going to work. But I think Wilde Boys is happening at the right moment. The poets of my generation are interested in actively forming an artistic community. And this one is in its early stages. But it’s happening, that’s what’s important. Forming these kinds of cliques may be harder for poets than other artists. Or so it seems. The poet as a figure always feels isolated to me, even from other poets. And it doesn’t have to be that way. That myth really bores me. I think Wilde Boys will continue, even if only in the sense that I know I’ll see these boys and read their poems in journals then books, for some time in the future. Everyone’s asking me whether I’m going to start a Wilde Boys blog or a website, and you know, I’ve thought about it. But isn’t there enough of that these days? What seems to be lacking is genuine face-to-face interaction and engagement with art and people. That’s always been what I’ve envisioned for Wilde Boys. That and fantastic cocktails. Photo: SM Hayhurst for homo-neurotic.com RELATED POSTS: Call for Submissions: LGBT Poets Respond to Violence…“Body Language” by Michael BroderCall for Submissions: The 14th Annual Gival Press…A Poem by Francisco MárquezCall for Submissions: Immigration and XenophobiaJuicy Fruits: A Pack of Lesbian Writers ABOUT : JASON SCHNEIDERMAN Jason Schneiderman is the author of Sublimation Point (Four Way Books) and Striking Surface (Ashland). He directs a tutoring center and lives in Brooklyn with his husband Michael Broder. www.jasonschneiderman.net Tags: Alex Dimitrov, Jason Schneiderman, Wilde Boys 2 RESPONSES TO “ALEX DIMITROV, WILDE BOY” Facebook is churning out gay links | ] Outside The Lines [ […] site celebrates one year anniversary of Wilde Boys queer poetry salon. In the form of a Q&A with Jason Schneiderman and WB’s founder. Here’s just one exchange. 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When he first mentioned his idea for the Wilde Boys, a salon for gay male poets in New York, I was supportive but skeptical. Every salon I had ever gone to always seemed to turn into an un-moderated workshop, and as a workshop instructor, it seemed more like an extension of my workday than a pleasurable evening out. But Alex proved me delightfully wrong, and the Wilde Boys are truly salons—discussion groups that yield exciting and compelling conversation, as well as providing introduction to wonderful poets. Alex has just finished an MFA at Sarah Lawrence, and his poems are forthcoming in the Boston Review, Yale Review, and New York Quarterly. Others have recently appeared in the annual Best New Poets anthology, Linebreak, The Awl , and La Fovea. He works at the Academy of American Poets, frequently writes for Poets & Writers magazine, and tweets @alexdimitrov. His poems are personal and direct, driven by personas that he beautifully conjures out of autobiography, pop culture, and the traditions of American poetry. JS: Congratulations on the one year anniversary of Wilde Boys! How do you describe Wilde Boys when someone asks what it is? AD: Thank you. Most nights Wilde Boys feels like an endless bacchanalia where the gods are poets like Frank O’Hara, James Merrill, John Ashbery—and we celebrate them and argue about them, and try to figure out what it is we’re doing as young, queer poets writing after them. Many of the boys are in MFA programs in or around New York City, some have graduated, others are thinking of going—and of course, there are poets like yourself who can tell us about some of the experiences one goes through as a poet just starting out. JS: That makes me sound dangerously like a role model—but I’ll admit that I love knowing writers who are still in or just out of MFA programs. It’s supposed to be such a glamorous and easy phase, but I remember it as a very hard time. I’m amazed by how much you guys seem to have accomplished. Alex, you’ve gathered such a brilliant group of achievers. It’s really an amazing group. AD: It is a very hard time, that post-MFA period, a very confusing time. And yet a lot of things are just beginning to happen. Everything feels impossible and possible at the same time, you know? What’s exciting to me is that everyone in Wilde Boys is doing their own thing while remaining inclusive. Zachary Pace, who was my classmate at Sarah Lawrence, started Projection, which is a fantastic reading series at the Center for Performance Research in Brooklyn, where the text of the poem is projected behind the poet. Paul Legault, who I work with at the Academy of American Poets, has a first book of poems called The Madeleine Poems, coming out this fall. He also recently started a translation journal called Telephone. Angelo Nikolopoulos runs the White Swallow Reading Series at the Cornelia Street Café in the West Village, where we had our first Wilde Boys reading with Mark Doty this past February. All of these guys are doing great things. It’s also important to have role models and friends who will listen to more than your “workshop” questions. Tom Healy and Mark Bibbins are two poets who have been supportive of Wilde Boys from the beginning, when I had no clue what I was doing, or how I would pull it off. The salon is really about an artistic community and bringing people together. I think that’s one of the most powerful things about poetry, and art in general—when you realize it’s not just the poems that can transform you but the friendships themselves. I’m lucky because that way of understanding art and life was instilled in me by my teacher, Marie Howe. And it’s something that her teacher, Stanley Kunitz, really believed in. And he started Poets House, isn’t that amazing? That’s a very tangible impact his life and work have had—he’s given us a place where we can write and think and talk to one another. I’m indebted to that idea—his idea of the tribe, tribal recognition. JS: The gatherings are fantastic. How did you decide to start the group? Did you have any models (like “The Violet Quill”) in mind? AD: When I came to New York in 2007, having just graduated from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, I had this fantasy that I’d be entering a bohemian scene of poets and writers where all we’d do is chain smoke, have sex, and write our own manifestos. Well, that was the fantasy. In reality, the MFA programs in New York really had a lot to do with shaping the community of young writers. The Columbia kids stayed uptown, the NYU and New School kids had their own clique downtown, and Sarah Lawrence was all the way in Bronxville, so there was the risk of detachment. I really didn’t believe in this kind of separation—by program or aesthetic, or because we lived however many blocks away from one another. The idea for a salon seemed like the right one because I wanted to bring everyone together and create a scene that had nothing to do with MFA politics and everything to do with a ferocious curiosity about poetry. It wasn’t going to be about workshopping but talking about great poems, reading great poems out loud to each other, and figuring out how we could write our own. I remember sitting in front of the Hudson River and sort of daydreaming with Zach Pace. He was telling me how he really wanted to start Projection but wasn’t sure if it would work, and I was telling him about the salon and this idea of creating our own scene, like Edmund White and The Violet Quill, and Frank O’Hara and the New York School poets. In a way, Wilde Boys and Projection were born on the same day, in the same conversation. So much about starting something is allowing yourself to think big and take a risk and fail. Anne Carson, who was one of my teachers in college, always used to say that failure can be as interesting as the experiment itself. And she always encouraged me to do whatever I wanted, whatever I believed in. JS: How has Wilde Boys been different from what you envisioned? AD: The salon has really taken a life of its own, which is well beyond what I envisioned for it. In that way, it feels like a success. You can put twenty people in a room together and start talking about a poem you’ve all read, but that’s not very interesting unless those people are bringing their own personalities and ambitions into the mix. So it also takes a certain amount of disclosure, of getting personal and being real. Which, in a way, is what poetry is all about. And who can do that in a graduate workshop at ten in the morning? I couldn’t. It also really helps that the salons are held at people’s apartments—Tom Healy, Mark Bibbins, Billy Merrell, Matthew Hittinger, we had it at your place once, and Paul Legault and Stephen Motika are next to host. I really wish I could host it every time but I live in the tiniest Lower East Side apartment with my friend Rachel and our cat Marcello. We’d be able to fit only three Wilde Boys, as opposed to the twenty or so who usually come. JS: I wanted to ask about the gay (or queer) aspect of the salon—have people been resistant to you opening it up beyond just gay men (as you did when you invited women), or felt excluded? Are there any tensions you see between an older “gay” crowd and a younger “queer” crowd? I’m impressed by your ability to maintain a certain kind of identity politics without falling into the obvious pitfalls of exclusivity or assumption. I’d love to hear your thoughts on what is and isn’t important about creating a space for gay male poets to gather. AD: The salon was never meant to be exclusive to men, though I always envisioned it as a “queer” space. And I think that more diversity, whether we are talking about gender or in terms of inviting people from other disciplines, like musicians or scholars—that makes it all the more queer to me. It’s funny you use the term “identity politics,” which is so polarizing and old fashioned today. Perhaps it always was. I do think identities matter, and they have real power and implications in our daily lives. It would be foolish to deny that. In that sense, I don’t really believe in the post-gay, post-feminism, post-identity politics fad where our differences are erased and assimilated into norms. There is power in difference, as there is power in unity. But I also don’t believe in identities as things which limit us. Everything can be exploded, transformed. JS: Sorting it out too much can be dangerous—I feel strongly that there’s power for us in a specifically gay male space, but I agree that it doesn’t have to be an exclusively gay male space (and it’s kind of nice when it’s not, even though it’s kind of nice when it is). How do you feel that being gay has shaped your writing? Obviously, it’s nice to know other writers, and other gay writers, but can I put you on the spot and ask you to generalize? What do you see as the commonality among the gay poets you’ve so brilliantly gathered under one roof? How does what we share in terms of desire and experience shape the ways in which we write and read? AD: I’m always the one asking this question in the salons and I never feel bad about putting poets on the spot. But now that you’ve asked—I hate it! It’s an impossible question. And a really important one. In terms of how being gay has shaped my work—I’m not really sure there are gay poems, just gay poets. A book like James L. White’s The Salt Ecstacies, which Mark Doty just edited as a reissue for Graywolf, is really important to me because of its explicit treatment of gay desire. That doesn’t mean there isn’t restraint, or coding, or artifice. All of those things are very queer. My favorite thing in a poem, and what I always work toward, is a kind of hand-over-the-mouth-jeans-unzipped level of restraint. It’s sexy. It’s how you get dates and how good poems happen. But back to what I was trying to explain. Carl Phillips says this really great thing about James L. White’s book—”it’s arguable that Dante’s Inferno is better literature, but Dante couldn’t have given me what White did.” I mean, exactly! Reading The Salt Ecstacies changed my life as a gay person and as a poet in a way that few books have. Being able to speak to that part of us which feels isolated, and somehow longs to be part of the world at the same time, that’s very human. And that’s what White does. And is it a gay book? Yeah, totally. Did I just put myself in a corner by calling those poems gay? Yeah, totally. But it’s also a book about trying to live with yourself. I’m more interested in that, rather than some kind of premeditated queerness. JS: Impossible questions are the best ones to ask! I think that’s why we’re artists. We get to be wrong in beautiful ways. But it really is not a fair question—you can’t give an answer that’s not reductive. I think that poems and poets are always gay in their specificity. William Meredith and John Ashbery both play pronoun games that seem gay to me, but they couldn’t be more different in how. That’s the nice thing about the Wilde Boys gatherings: everyone is present in their irreducible gay specificity, and that’s always a pleasure. Do you have any big plans for Wilde Boys—an anthology? A cologne? A retreat? What has surprised you most about doing this? AD: How receptive people have been has really surprised me. Like I said earlier, when you have an idea for something you never know if it’s going to work. But I think Wilde Boys is happening at the right moment. The poets of my generation are interested in actively forming an artistic community. And this one is in its early stages. But it’s happening, that’s what’s important. Forming these kinds of cliques may be harder for poets than other artists. Or so it seems. The poet as a figure always feels isolated to me, even from other poets. And it doesn’t have to be that way. That myth really bores me. I think Wilde Boys will continue, even if only in the sense that I know I’ll see these boys and read their poems in journals then books, for some time in the future. Everyone’s asking me whether I’m going to start a Wilde Boys blog or a website, and you know, I’ve thought about it. But isn’t there enough of that these days? What seems to be lacking is genuine face-to-face interaction and engagement with art and people. That’s always been what I’ve envisioned for Wilde Boys. That and fantastic cocktails. Photo: SM Hayhurst for homo-neurotic.com RELATED POSTS: Call for Submissions: LGBT Poets Respond to Violence…“Body Language” by Michael BroderCall for Submissions: The 14th Annual Gival Press…A Poem by Francisco MárquezCall for Submissions: Immigration and XenophobiaJuicy Fruits: A Pack of Lesbian Writers ABOUT : JASON SCHNEIDERMAN Jason Schneiderman is the author of Sublimation Point (Four Way Books) and Striking Surface (Ashland). He directs a tutoring center and lives in Brooklyn with his husband Michael Broder. www.jasonschneiderman.net Tags: Alex Dimitrov, Jason Schneiderman, Wilde Boys 2 RESPONSES TO “ALEX DIMITROV, WILDE BOY” Facebook is churning out gay links | ] Outside The Lines [ […] site celebrates one year anniversary of Wilde Boys queer poetry salon. In the form of a Q&A with Jason Schneiderman and WB’s founder. Here’s just one exchange. JS: Sorting it out too much can be dangerous—I feel strongly […] REPLY KGB Monday Night Poetry series announces its Fall 2010 line-up. « We Who Are About To Die […] National Book Award judges, stars from Cave Canem‘s galaxy of African-American poets, a Wilde night with queer bards, and lots of young trailblazers from hot little presses like Ugly Duckling and No […] REPLY LEAVE A REPLY NAME (REQUIRED) EMAIL (WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED) (REQUIRED) HOMEPAGE COMMENT Please fill the required box or you can’t comment at all. Please use kind words. Your e-mail address will not be published. Gravatar is supported. You can use these HTML tags and attributes:
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Quoted in Sidelights: “I’m interested in connecting with readers and strangers through poetry,” he told Quietus online interviewer Richard Scott. “I want to create real intimacy with my poems. Whether I do that through pulling from my personal life or using my fantasy life—or say history, whether that history is personal history or our collective histories—what’s important is that an experience is created. An experience that will hopefully matter to people and feel real. I want my poems to move people and make them want to live their lives, however complicated and impossible those lives may be.”
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Nothing To Say About Queer Identity: Alex Dimitrov Interviewed
Richard Scott , May 25th, 2014 13:50
Richard Scott speaks to the NYC-based poet Alex Dimitrov about father figures, the relevance of "queer identity", social media and reading his work in the bedrooms of his fans
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The first time I saw Alex Dimitrov was on Instagram – he was handsome and sullen, preferring to flip the viewer off rather than smile. He had a beard. He dressed in black. His photographs were nonchalant but poised and showed him often enjoying New York by night or in the very early morning. But he also wrote poetry and peppered his Instagram feed with screenshots of text conversations like, 'I guess I could write about queer identity if I wanted to bore myself to death'. I was intrigued, well perhaps more than that – I was digitally besotted, so I started to follow him.
After a few weeks of stalking Dimitrov on Instagram, his debut poetry collection Begging For It arrived in the post. I immediately found his poetry to be utterly open and frank, containing these small sexual vignettes that demanded to be read, absorbed and then passed over as if they might simply be the stuff of every day life, 'In bed, a man once asked/ to be blindfolded while another choked me'. Then, after delivering their initial punch, Dimitrov's compelling poetic narratives gave way to authentic ruminations on poetic form or bleak closing statements that left the reader, me, completely isolated and bereft. 'Don't worry. No one is spared'.
My favourite poems in Dimitrov's book dealt with his father – indeed his poem 'The Crucifix' defies rudimentary description here suffice to say it is perhaps the most disquietingly erotic poem I have read in many years – and his best poems also dealt with this seemingly crushing sense of loneliness felt by the habitual city dweller – the way in which I have come to know Dimitrov from glimpsing his dreich black and white photos of a faded New York. Indeed paeans to his city often ended in utter sadness, 'he feels himself tired and tremendously alone'.
Dimitrov writes firmly in the tradition of James L. White's seminal book, The Salt Ecstasies, wanting also to poeticise the details of a gay man's life as much as make them usual and everyday. Dimitrov does this in part to educate the reader, impressing upon them that queer verse is just verse, but also in part to challenge and shake them. Dimitrov also borrows some of Whitman's rhapsody when he writes of past New Yorkers or lost gay men roaming New York for love, but he can be even darker, 'When he unbuttons your shirt/ he is teaching you kindness/ and ruin he learned from his father'. In fact Dimitrov is something of a melting pot of other queer poets, utilising Doty's colours, O'Hara's pith and Gunn's solitude; obviously an avid reader, Dimitrov has consumed his influences to produce vivid and passionate verse that at times masquerades as fashionable emotional emptiness, 'Let's talk about language while people die', but is in fact deeply rinsed in a passion for language, humanity and the erotic.
But Dimitrov is not just a writer, he is something of a poetic force of nature. His queer poetry salon Wilde Boys, which attracted such guests and readers as Mark Doty, Marie Howe and John Ashbery, garnered much international attention – with poets everywhere wondering if the halcyon days of the literary salon might return – it was even glowingly written about in the New York Times. And his recent project Night Call, saw Dimitrov traipse around his beloved New York and indeed the world, via Skype, to give private and intimate readings of his own poetry to fans in their own bedroom. In fact interest for Night Call was so overwhelming that my request to have a Skype reading from Dimitrov for me, my boyfriend and my cat was sadly refused.
Hours after sending my formal request for an interview, I received Dimitrov's response – 'How shall we start?' I was thrilled and so began many weeks of emailing back and forth questions and answers that were often accompanied by seemingly off the cuff observations about his city and the changeable and emotive weather; even in his emails Dimitrov revealed his intense passion for language. One email even contained some observations about a poem of my own that he had found online, he wrote, 'Is this you?' before proceeding to quote myself back to me. That made my week/ month, I am not embarrassed to say.
Throughout the course of my correspondence with him, I found Dimitrov to be open, honest and above all else considered – he would often email me corrections of his own answers and indeed soon took to reediting himself. I have lost count of how many new versions he sent me of his answers; Dimitrov is clearly a man who prides himself on being accurate, concise and also deeply cares about the image he projects to the world and his readers – and although I promised to publish his final editings of his own answers, I of course chose what I considered to be his best answers, his most revealing; an overzealous interviewers' prerogative, you might say.
When did you start writing and in what form? Can you remember the first thing you ever wrote?
Alex Dimitrov: The first things I remember writing, when I was six or seven years old, are things I thought of as autobiographies. They were written in the third person, strangely. I’d start one almost every other week and abandon them just as frequently. This came from my obsession with chronicling everything that happened to me, and it’s quite humorous to me now, looking back, that I thought I had a story to tell at six years old. But of course I did. Half of having a story to tell is imagining that you have a story to tell. Imagining a life for yourself, some kind of reality not found in reality.
Should a reader be looking for ‘you,’ for autobiography, in your poetry?
AD: I actually don’t think this question is as important as it’s made out to be but I think it’s important to answer it. I’m interested in connecting with readers and strangers through poetry. I want to create real intimacy with my poems. Whether I do that through pulling from my personal life or using my fantasy life—or say history, whether that history is personal history or our collective histories—what’s important is that an experience is created. An experience that will hopefully matter to people and feel real. I want my poems to move people and make them want to live their lives, however complicated and impossible those lives may be. I think a poem can speak to the life you currently live but also to the lives you’ve lived before, the ones to come and also those you’ve yet to imagine. What else can do that? Not sex or money or other people.
Is your project, Night Call, a way of further creating intimacy between you and a reader?
AD: Yes. I wanted to use social media and the internet (that anonymous and highly [im]personal space), to quite literally be in bed with my readers, reading them new poems. I posted a letter in which I describe the project on my Tumblr and set up a gmail account, makeanightcall@gmail.com, and people wrote me…asking me to come to their bedrooms (if they lived in New York) and read them poetry. If they didn’t live in New York I just put my Mac on my bed and turned on the camera and there they were. All the poems I read during Night Call will be in my second book, which I’m writing now. I’ve almost forgotten about the first book, I love this new one so much. I’m spending some time in Los Angeles this summer to work on it.
That first book, Begging for It, at times seems like the extended interior monologue of an openly gay man, who is as engaged with life, and experience – not just sex. Is it important for you to write queer poems that aren't just about sex?
AD: I don’t think I write queer poems. If people think I do, that’s fine. It’s not important to me to write any kind of poem specifically, other than the one that most brutally and honestly describes what it feels like to be a living person on earth right now. I’ve written very few poems about sex actually. Probably more love poems than sex poems but that’s not even accurate since what even is a love poem? Somebody leaving? Meeting someone? Spending your life with someone? Spending a day with someone? I want to write about all of those things. Being a man, and being a gay man, those things aren’t important to me as a poet. Perhaps they used to be, but to be honest, I’ve never trusted identity or what it had to tell me. Like I mentioned earlier, those adjectives (gay and male) may be important to other people when they read me, or perhaps some readers come to my work because of them, but I have no control over that. A lot of women write to me about my poems. And during Night Call quite a number of the participants were women. I didn’t think anything of it but I’m mentioning it here due to the context.
I think earlier in my writing life I had an interest in what being a “queer” poet meant, maybe when I was starting Wilde Boys, my poetry salon in New York, but I grew bored with that question quickly. And just like the salons became more about life and poetics at large…I guess what I’m trying to say is—I have nothing to say about queer identity consciously in my work. I want to know why we’re here or why there’s anything at all. Why some days I’m sad walking down the street with nothing to be sad about and why some days I’m happy walking down the same street. I mean, don’t you want to know that too?
I'm curious to ask about the role of the father in Begging for It, he seems always asleep or absent, represented by his crucifix or his underwear.
AD: The father is prominent in the book’s first section, the childhood poems. So are God and early lovers and many other male figures…though I should say I don’t think of God as having a male energy. In those poems God certainly does. But I’ve changed my mind. I’ve changed my mind about a lot of things. Maybe even fathers. Like Willem de Kooning said, “You have to change to stay the same.”
How do you view social media, like Twitter and Instagram, and is it important for you to have an online presence through them?
AD: I treat social media as an art form. Like choosing what clothes you’re going to wear or how you walk down the street or the way in which you interact with people. All of these things are part of the art of living. I see almost every aspect of my life as being in conversation with art. Social media fits in with this way of thinking quite seamlessly. I’m actually teaching a creative writing workshop at Bennington College this fall called “Reading and Writing Poetry in the Age of Social Media.” I can’t wait. I think the poets growing up with social media are going to change poetry more than any other poets before.
Who contacts you through social media? Fans? Men? (And do you always respond?)
AD: A lot of people interested in my work, yeah, and sometimes people interested in me, sure. I try to respond to everybody. I mean, one reason I wanted to do Night Call was because as my book came out last spring, someone tweeted at me asking what it would take for me to read to them in bed because I wasn’t doing readings anywhere near them. Night Call kind of marries your question—interested in the work, interested in me. I think that part of my work makes certain people very uncomfortable. But that’s okay. I’m not here to make people feel comfortable.
In interviewing Dimitrov, I wanted to uncover the actual man behind the social media-savvy poet who has knowingly turned projecting his life to his fans and readers into something of an art form. I am sure this sounds terribly naïve, perhaps even as naïve as asking a twenty first century gay poet if he considers himself to write queer poetry, but that's the truth. I wanted what all readers want from poetry, after the hit of pure verse – to glimpse the autobiography that might be tucked between each carefully sculpted line. But with each revision of his answers, I began to worry that the real Dimitrov was fading behind his obsession for self-editing. I began to think that a man who was so concerned with his beautiful image might be afraid of letting the mask slip, might not want to be seen for who he was.
My fears were unfounded. With our last question and answer exchange came the sentence, 'You do know I have a poem called 'British Boys' right?', with a link to his poem – a miserable paean to Dimitrov's one summer spent in the UK, pounding the streets of Kings Cross alone whilst a gay night blared out from La Scala's crumbling whitewashed walls. The poet wanted to be seen, wanted to be touched, but in fact all he did was 'study his loneliness'. Dimitrov, it would appear, was reaching out to me, finally revealing himself or rather making it clear he had been there all along, waiting to be touched or known. An artist's life is in their work and this is true of Dimitrov; if you want to truly know the man then just look at his Instagram feed or his Twitter account or Tumblr or Facebook – and then read his extraordinary poetry.
Begging For It is published by Four Way Books
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Quoted in Sidelights: “basically 27 years of my life and my experiences with love, lust…the things you name, all of that in one book, he told Christopher Soto in an interview published at the Poetry Society’s Web site. “I threw everything of myself and how I understood the world into that book. My 20s are in that book. Everything before my 20s is in it.”
“Stylistically I’m also interested in surprising myself and describing the world in a different way, describing what it feels like to be a person in a different way.” Partly, he said, that involves getting outside the self. “I’m only interested in the self as a gateway to other things…like pleasure, religion, death, culture, personal and collective histories, celebrity, and so on,” he told Soto. He continued: “I try to get the self out of the way as much as possible. In the first book I did that by excessively examining the self until it exploded, until there was nothing left…and now I’m more interested in blurring it, erasing it…throwing something over it.”
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An Interview with Alex Dimitrov
Introduction by Christopher Soto
I first met Alex Dimitrov near the end of 2013, through a mutual friend, Jameson Fitzpatrick. We went to go see Alex read his poems at KGB Bar in New York City and then drank a few beers together afterwards. At that time, Alex was doing promotion for his first collection of poems, Begging for It, and he was also announcing the close of his renowned queer poetry salon, Wilde Boys. Over the past few years, as I have been completing my MFA at NYU, Alex has been an insightful and supportive friend. In this interview, Alex and I discuss his second collection of poems, bicoastal American life, and his upcoming events and projects.
Alex Dimitrov is the author of American Boys (2012) and Begging for It (2013). In 2014 he launched Night Call, a multimedia poetry project through which he read poems to strangers in bed and online. Dimitrov's poems have been published in Poetry, The Yale Review, Kenyon Review, Slate, Poetry Daily, Tin House, Boston Review, and the American Poetry Review, which awarded him the Stanley Kunitz Prize in 2011.
Christopher Soto: Your last collection, Begging for It, is largely a sequence of persona poems. You bring to the forefront issues related to love, lust, loss. What should we expect stylistically and thematically from your new work?
Alex Dimitrov: Some of the new poems have been in a few places and perhaps pointing directly to them will do more for a reader than what I have to say. I'm fairly conscious, however, that the new poems are different than Begging for It, which was basically 27 years of my life and my experiences with love, lust…the things you name, all of that in one book. I threw everything of myself and how I understood the world into that book. My 20s are in that book. Everything before my 20s is in it. So obviously I can't do that again. But stylistically I'm also interested in surprising myself and describing the world in a different way, describing what it feels like to be a person in a different way. Some of these poems begin on the east coast and take you to the west coast. Then back to the east coast and oh, we're out west again. Where America begins and ends—those are the places that my imagination seems to be interested in. I don't like feeling bound and each coast gives you a different sense of freedom. I like to at least imagine that there's some way out other than death. And then there's JFK, Jr., Lindsay Lohan, Monroe, Kennedy…just some of the personalities that may be in the book.
Christopher Soto: When I think about your work, I think about existential desire; a desire to communicate with something greater than the self (be it love, or God, or pop culture, or the literary cannon). I'm interested in knowing what role desire plays in your work, if any.
Alex Dimitrov: I'm happy you say that. There are times when people ask me too many questions about the self in relation to my poems. That's the part I'm least interested in. The self. I'm only interested in the self as a gateway to other things…like pleasure, religion, death, culture, personal and collective histories, celebrity, and so on. Obviously we can't experience the world without a body so yes, the self has to be addressed. But I try to get the self out of the way as much as possible. In the first book I did that by excessively examining the self until it exploded, until there was nothing left…and now I'm more interested in blurring it, erasing it…throwing something over it. This is why Lindsay Lohan and JFK, Jr. are fascinating to me as people in the culture, because of their relationship to the public self and the unseen self. Not being fixed is one way to trouble the self. So the mind in these new poems is constantly jumping from one image, one person, one subject, one place to another. I'm trying to live that way too. To be less available to any one thing or mode or mindset.
Christopher Soto: While on the topic of desire—both of us tend to float back and forth between California and New York, as if looking for some greater stimulation, some newer daydream (or at least, for myself). Can you talk about your relationship to California and how the change in geography might impact your process of creating work?
Alex Dimitrov: I try to get to California anytime I don't have to be in New York, which isn't as often as I'd like. If New York didn't exist I wouldn't live anywhere but LA. Many of the new poems were written there over the past two years and I like the poets and people that are out there. Kate Durbin and Melissa Broder are friends. We did a reading in Venice, on the beach last year. I told Melissa we should do it again because it was just so communal and beautiful. I don't know, I guess LA makes me feel lost and free. It liberates me in a different way than New York. To be lost is one way to be liberated but our culture will never allow us to believe that because that way of thinking does not serve capitalism. In an interview with Jonathan Cott from the late 70s, Susan Sontag talks about the idea of dropping out and what we can learn from the 60s, despite the fact that the 60s are seen as a failure, and she more or less argues that we need to create an actual space in the culture to be lost, to be free, and just how important that space is. I'm not looking to be found or to find myself. I'm not interested in who Alex Dimitrov is. I feel like New York is the only city that's allowed me to live that way, and whenever I'm in LA I feel similarly understood too. But I still don't have a home. I don't really belong anywhere. Hopefully it makes for some good poems.
Christopher Soto: How does the landscape of each place, or the vastly different temperaments of New York and LA inform your creative process?
Alex Dimitrov: I love how vast LA feels. That's a good word for it. I also don't know if I've ever known where LA actually is. It's somewhat invisible…or perhaps a better way of describing it is…it never really appears. You keep driving and driving and where are you really. Is what's in front of you LA? What's behind you? It starts to look the same at some point. Both LA and New York are lonely places but in different ways. In New York you're alone because everyone is always around you and you're fighting for your internal space. Which can be demoralizing and tiring. In LA you're alone because you can be as far from people as you choose to be, and to be close still involves getting in a car…so how close are you really? I suppose that's America at large. We feel like we're connected and close to one another but it's a terrible lie. There's something about the light in LA that puts me out of my mind, literally, and in a kind of lull. Maybe some people hate that but I enjoy it. It's like writing a poem. I'm here but I'm not really here. I'm going to another place. Also, both of these cities are not pretending to be anything but themselves. They're not pretending to be honest or beautiful or redemptive. They're pretending to be other things, but not those things. I really see them both, and how one lives in them, as symbols for American ideology. For better or worse. Most days I don't feel comfortable living in America.
Christopher Soto: The other day we were chatting about an upcoming reading that you have with Rita Dove. Can you tell us about this and other upcoming events that you might have?
Alex Dimitrov: Oh, Rita was incredibly kind and invited me to read as one of the three poets for her Tenth Muse event at the 92nd Street Y. It's been a dream to read there and I think I may read the title poem of this new book, which is a long poem that I began working on in September of 2013 after I got back from one of my trips to LA. I just finished it recently so I've been slowly working on it for…about a year and half. That's been a real pleasure because it's like feeling that you have something exciting to wake up for. It's functioned that way. I'm sad I've finished it.
Christopher Soto: This past year you launched Night Call, a multimedia poetry project through which you read poems to strangers in bed and online. Can you tell us a bit more about that project and any future projects you might have planned?
Alex Dimitrov: Night Call is one of my favorite things I've done and it's largely undocumented. At least publically. I documented it in my own way but I don't think I'll share that. As long as I'm alive at least. Which is to say, I don't like going into detail about it because it was such a personal, visceral experience with one other person, each time, in their intimate space…whether that's their bedroom or kitchen or living room. I met up with strangers all over New York…Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, it took me many places. And I read them poems I hadn't read before, probably poems I won't even publish, and they shared a lot of themselves and their lives with me. Night Call was about finding intimacy on the page and off the page, right there, in the same room. It was art and desire made real. It was also my way of completely avoiding being reviewed or talked about or judged. I just thought, I'm going to create this ephemeral, personal, beautiful thing…and that experience will be alive only now, only once, only between me and this person, and then it's done. Kind of like life maybe. And there were several places that wanted to review it and write about it, really great places, but I thought it was important to say no. That would have done something else to it. And it felt great to say no. We're back to thinking about freedom I guess. Maybe Night Call was about freedom.
Christopher Soto: Any closing thoughts?
Alex Dimitrov: I've always loved your tattoos and your piercings. So let's end there.
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Alex Dimitrov
Alex Dimitrov was born in Sofia, Bulgaria. He is the recipient of the 2011 Stanley Kunitz Prize from The American Poetry Review, and his poems have appeared in the Kenyon Review, American Poetry Review, Yale Review, Boston Review, Tin House, and Slate, among others. He is the founder of Wilde Boys, a queer poetry salon in New York City, works at the Academy of American Poets, teaches creative writing at Rutgers University, and frequently writes for Poets & Writers magazine. Dimitrov is also the author of American Boys, an e-chapbook published by Floating Wolf Quarterly. He received his MFA in poetry from Sarah Lawrence College, and his BA in English and Film Studies from the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor. He lives in Manhattan.
Quoted in Sidelights: “instills palpable emotional yearning in his readers, as if you’re a tourist inside your own life,” further noting that his work often “glows.”
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Together and By Ourselves
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Alex DImltrov. Copper Canyon, $16 trade paper (96p) ISBN 978-1-55659-510-3
In his second collection, Dimitrov (Begging for It) negotiates the cosmopolitan as well as the cosmos through a
psychopomp narrator, guiding readers--living souls--through parties and canyons and cities. The figure is reminiscent
of Emerson's transparent eyeball cruising through a cityscape or O'Hara's observation of the world moving by: "And
people walked out of churches and bars,/ cafes and apartments, cities, towns, photographs,/ someone's Friday night
party,/ someone they once knew or slept with." Dimitrov roves through four billion years of the sun's existence and
into calendars that contain a secret 13th month. His voice is steady across poems, swiftly navigating a dizzying
landscape of non sequiturs and litanies and passing faces. Many of the poems are marked by absence: "Yesterday there
was nothing on the beach/ and no one knows where it came from." The narrator's longing inside this lack is often
matched by the distance the reader feels from all these passing scenes, like being told about a memorable photograph
without being permitted to look at it. In these moments the book glows. Dimitrov instills palpable emotional yearning
in his readers, as if you're a tourist inside your own life: "A little of our misplaced lives,/ we saw them waving on the
roof in the dark/ and thought they were birds." (Apr.)
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Quoted in Sidelights: “passionate, glamorous, and accessible debut certainly holds delights.”
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Begging For It
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Begging For It Alex Dimitrov. Four Way (UNPE, dist.), $15.95 trade paper (96p) ISBN 978-1-935536-26-0
The Bulgarian-born, New York City-based Dimitrov has been turning heads for a few years with Wilde Boys, a salon
and reading series for gay and queer writers. His passionate, glamorous, and accessible debut certainly holds delights:
"At the St. Mark's Baths Hart Crane washes my hair," one poem starts; afterwards "my American youth streams
down." Dimitrov can sound at once hip and naive, devoted to the sincerities that other sorts of poets reject or obscure,
and to the strong feelings that cynics reprehend: "Because there were men who slaved for their beauty/does it cost
more to love them.)" Such romantically rhetorical queries, and the declarations that follow, link Dimitrov not just to
other poets of modern gay life (notably Mark Dory) but to Franz Wright, or even to Rilke. It is decidedly a young
man's book, where sex, and ideas about sex, are easy to find: "We start and finish one another with a, kiss"; "It's the
potential I'm in love with/when I sleep with someone new." It's also a funny book, and a self-conscious one (there is a
poem called "Sleeping with Everyone"), and a book of spiritual advice: "If you're lonely enough, if you listen,/the wind
will convince you, in its human-like/ sadness, to open the windows and let something in." (Mar.)
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Quoted in Sidelights: “Dimitrov is a vital new energy in American poetry, one who loves us, degrades us, gives us what we want, what we need, what we can’t live without,” remarked Jeremy Glazier in the online Los Angeles Review of Books. “He reminds us that we can be lonely and love it.” Glazier further noted: “These are carpe diem poems for the 21st century.”
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Doing It Ruthlessly and All the Time: Alex Dimitrov's "Begging for It"
By Jeremy Glazier
MAY 6, 2013
AT THE END of a long list of acknowledgements at the back of his first full-length collection of poems, Begging for It, Alex Dimitrov says a little prayer to his “patron saint,” Oscar Wilde: “I will not disappoint you.” The invocation comes as no surprise from the young man who started a queer poetry salon in New York City called Wilde Boys shortly after finishing his graduate studies at Sarah Lawrence College. If the media attention is any indication, Wilde Boys has proved a raucous success. It’s been profiled not only in literary venues such as BOMB but also in The Atlantic, Out magazine, and The New York Times.
The salon, in true gay fashion, reportedly starts and ends with cocktails, but the centerpiece is intensive conversation about queer poets and poems. I’ve never been to Wilde Boys, nor have I met Mr. Dimitrov — though if I were extended a coveted invite to the invitation-only event, I’d think long and hard before turning it down. The salon has attracted the attention of a veritable abecedarium of Who’s Who in contemporary gay literature: John Ashbery, Frank Bidart, Michael Cunningham, Mark Doty — not to mention patriarchs like Richard Howard and Edmund White. The other attendees — mainly younger gay men, many of them in, or recently graduated from, MFA programs — seem like exactly the kind of literary society Oscar Wilde would have preferred: cultured and garrulous, educated and beautiful and horny. Regarding the guest list, Dimitrov told The New York Times, “I sort of had a list of gays that I wanted to come, and some of them that I wanted to sleep with.”
Dimitrov happened to be born on the same date that Wilde died — November 30 — but the affinities go deeper than the astrological. Richard Ellmann, in his biography of Wilde, called Wilde’s poetry “polymorphously perverse,” and the epithet applies just as aptly to Dimitrov’s. But where Wilde mostly robes his “perversity” in the classical attire of mythology, Dimitrov openly mythologizes his own sexuality. This is especially apparent in American Boys, an e-chapbook published by Floating Wolf Press in 2012. Interspersed between “regular” poems about gay love and Allen Ginsberg (to whom the chapbook is dedicated) are text messages and photographs, including one of the author as a little boy, and screen captures from Facebook and Grindr. Grindr is a smartphone app that allows men to quickly and easily find other gay guys in the immediate area to chat or hook up with, swap naked pictures, find fuckbuddies — or just cruise, to see who else in their immediate vicinity is “grinding.” (Imagine if Oscar Wilde had had an iPhone!)
The three Grindr “poems” offer a peek into Dimitrov’s self-mythologization. Each is a screenshot of a smartphone conversation between the poet and an anonymous guy from Grindr, and in each case, Dimitrov’s contributions are limited to laconic replies to his interlocutor’s promptings. In the first, called “Poems actually,” the two words of the title are the poet’s only part, typed in response to the query, “What sort of stuff do you write?” The rest is the rather effusive effort on the part of the other guy to pin down Dimitrov’s poetic credentials: “Epic poems, limericks or like what? / And who is your poetry inspiration / Was that grammatically correct? I don’t think it was but you get what I am saying.” The humor resides partially in the contrast between Dimitrov’s terseness and the garrulousness of the other guy — and in the unexpected “literary” chat on an app that’s more usually reserved for swapping cock pics.
In another Grindr piece, “Proust’s Grave,” one of Dimitrov’s anonymous online admirers has figured out who he is and messages him out of the blue, at 1:22 in the morning: “One shouldn’t lie on Proust’s grave,” he texts — a reference to a photograph online of Dimitrov wallowing on said grave. Dimitrov’s response, “Who the fuck is this,” is immediate — and that’s the end of the conversation. Part found poem, part unwitting collaboration, the poem’s appeal for the reader is essentially voyeuristic: our sense that we are eavesdropping on something private and potentially intimate. For Dimitrov, the act of cruising online is charged poetically as well as libidinally, and like a sexed-up version of Stevens’s Hoon, he invites us into his private “palaz” for “tea.”
Among the more traditional poems, the chapbook’s major achievements include the opener, “Kill Your Boyfriends” (“Kill your boyfriends […] While they kiss you, just before they say / ‘I’m close,’ just before they can forget to miss you”) and “Leaving Town With Allen Ginsberg,” Dimitrov’s homage to the Beat poet:
Allen Ginsberg, I met you
in a gas station bathroom somewhere in California
and I don’t even drive or dream. You asked me for my number,
I asked you for a cigarette. It was evening in New York
where we were both dead, and America
was beautiful and bloody like a boy.
In Ginsberg’s own supermarket reverie, the poet encounters two of his idols, Walt Whitman and Federico García Lorca. “Where are we going, Walt Whitman?” he asks. “[A]nd you, García Lorca, what were you doing down by the watermelons?” Dimitrov, in turn, asks his idol Ginsberg, “When can I go into the supermarket / and buy what I need with my good looks? / Where can I find the best blue jeans to sell my book?” (The lines are shoplifted from “America,” and one might imagine Ginsberg answering Dimitrov with lines from “A Supermarket in California”: “Are you my Angel? […] I touch your book and dream of our odyssey in the supermarket and feel absurd.”)
In his full-length collection, Begging for It, Dimitrov casts off the whimsical yet gimmicky Grindr and Facebook pieces, but continues to invoke his queer idols and exploit his private sexual history, flaunting it like an exhibitionist. Begging for It is handsomely printed, with a black and white cover featuring a photograph from David Wojnarowicz. Wojnarowicz, a gay photographer prominent in the New York City art scene of the 1980s, died of AIDS in the early 1990s, but left behind a brilliant series of photographs called “Arthur Rimbaud in New York.” The one on Dimitrov’s cover shows a young man (wearing the series’s ubiquitous Rimbaud mask) sitting alone enjoying a donut and a milkshake at a New York diner.
Rimbaud’s spirit inhabits the book at least as much as Wilde’s. An epigraph from the French poet at the beginning of the book reads:
What flag will I bear? What beast worship? What shrine besiege? What hearts break? What lies tell? — And walk through whose blood?
The quote is from “Bad Blood,” in Wyatt Mason’s translation, from Rimbaud’s 1873 A Season In Hell. That book was completed just after Rimbaud’s decisive break with Verlaine, which left Rimbaud with a bullet wound in his arm, and Verlaine with a prison sentence. Bad blood indeed. But it left us with one of Rimbaud’s best books, which another translator, Paul Schmidt, calls “a set of philosophical meditations” and “a confessional handbook.”
Dimitrov’s poems often channel that philosophical mode even as they flaunt their carnal, confessional nature. In one of Dimitrov’s “text message poems” from American Boys, the texter asks, “Would you say your poems are confessional?,” to which Dimitrov first responds, “Only when I’m lying,” and then, after a pause, “Which is all the time.” Confessional characteristics are foregrounded in “Leaving for America, May 1991” and “American Youth”: family relationships, the challenges of making a life in a new country (Dimitrov came to America from Bulgaria as a boy), and the changes of adolescence. But even more powerful is Dimitrov’s candid exploration of his early sexual awakenings: the young gay son’s fixation on his father, youthful masturbation fantasies, and, throughout the book, more sex than you can shake your stick at.
The book begins, oddly enough, with a poem about God. “Heartland,” shares that fact (if little else) with the opening sonnet, “Hélas!,” of Oscar Wilde’s first collection of poems, from 1881. “In America,” Dimitrov writes, “I stopped to listen for God.” By contrast, Wilde seems to hope that God is the one doing the listening:
Surely there was a time I might have trod
The sunlit heights, and from life’s dissonance
Struck one clear chord to reach the ears of God:
Is that time dead?
Dimitrov displays none of Wilde’s hesitancy or tentativeness in that first poem, though the confident pose he strikes may be equally performative. Its unabashed, unblinking stance sets the tone for many of the poems that follow. “Let the blood wet the ashes,” Dimitrov challenges; “let the semen wet the mouth.” Here, in the first of several ejaculations throughout the book, bodily fluids take on eucharistic qualities, a conflation of religion and sexuality that will be echoed in later poems. There’s violence here too, another recurring motif: “these men with their wolf tongues / and the war with its quick deaths.” But the speaker’s confident boast — “I could kill faster than any war would, God” — can be seen as the first in a series of personas role-played to great effect.
Two of the most moving poems in the book’s first section explore a young boy’s feelings of arousal for his father. In “The Crucifix,” Dimitrov luxuriates in describing his father undressing after a hard day of work: first the tie comes off, then the dress shirt, revealing “tense drops of sweat which ran down from his armpits, / the stains forming delicate rings around his sleeves.” The boy then fixates on his father’s necklace:
[…] that gold crucifix which sank so low,
our Jesus buried deep inside his chest hair,
closer to my father than I ever got
and claiming the best part.
The confounding of religious and sexual feelings is nothing new to poetry, but Dimitrov’s handling of it is exquisite: the conflation of father/Father, the tension between the father’s exhaustion and the son’s admiration-cum-arousal, the hint of the son’s disappointment (and perhaps guilt) at not being able to “[claim] the best part” — all suggest a poet who knows exactly how to achieve the effect he wants.
“The Underwear” is an even more overt confession of the boy’s sexual attraction to his father. The speaker recalls sniffing his father’s underwear as a seven-year-old boy:
Held high above my face, I pressed it down,
let it cover my eyes and nose, a kind of warm suffocation.
My knees gave in when I pulled at the cloth
with each tooth, bit into it.
The scent of his father’s musk is thrilling, with a tinge of danger: the pleasure is “more animal than another boy’s hands / pressing my face into the playground dirt.” But the moment of pleasure is also fraught with “terror” when the boy is caught by his mother:
[…] she came in, looked
away, and like a good mother,
asked me to wash my hands before dinner.
These preadolescent sexual experiences give way, in the second section of the book, to more adult adventures. One poem illustrates the transition of the boy’s desire for his father towards that of a “daddy” figure. “In This Economy Even Businessmen Go Down” seems to suggest that such desire — both its rewards and risks — might even be passed down from father to son, or from daddy to boy:
When he unbuttons his shirt
he is teaching you kindness
and ruin he learned from his father —
leaving a wife and two kids, the crash at the office,
for a boy with your kind of eyes.
The focus for Dimitrov’s speakers is squarely on the rewards, while any risks seem to be shouldered by the older man, the daddy. In “Suit & Tie, 6’1, Married, Financial District,” a title that suggests a Craigslist posting for sex, we find a speaker who is well acquainted with the erotic power he has over such men. The married man asks, “How much, and would you like to // come with me to Rome?” — to which the speaker answers confidently, “a check — another zero — and I’m yours.”
Clearly, the book isn’t called Begging For It for nothing. It abounds in sexual escapades in which lust, desire, longing, and release are tangible needs. But who’s doing the begging? The title poem leaves the answer ambiguous. At first glance, it may seem like it’s the married man the speaker’s hooking up with: after all, it’s easy to picture the older, closeted, unhappily married man “begging for it” from the virile young Adonis, especially since the line “Whose scent will your knuckles keep?” implies the speaker’s either fingering or fisting the man’s asshole. But “begging for it” can mean different things in different contexts. In one context it might mean something like he had it coming, or he was asking for it, he was cruising for a bruising. Elsewhere, it could mean a variety of psycho-sexual power relationships, such as those between top and bottom, master and slave, dominant and submissive, “masc” and “fem.”
“It’s the night before Easter” in this present-day Sodom, which might suggest a less carnal, more spiritual reading of the title. However, instead of the release from embodiment associated with Christ’s resurrection, here, “the body becomes a cage you can’t feel your way out of.” Perhaps, then, it’s the speaker who is “begging for it” — begging for the spiritual release which, throughout much of this book, is conflated with sexual release. When the poem ends —
God rips through the skin
of every man you know
on a quiet evening,
in a city already done for, like this one
— it’s difficult not to have the sense that the speaker envies the fate of those other men.
Dimitrov’s brazen confidence and prowess in these poems, and the sexual adventures they depict, are refreshing. There is no hint of opprobrium or moralizing, no lectures or worrying about STDs. In fact, a poem from American Boys, “Sexual History, 1984–2012,” contains the only explicit reference to AIDS: “He slept through everyone who died of AIDS in 1993.” This is significant because, where the work of other gay poets — particularly those of the generation who survived the worst of the crisis — is often suffused with the gravitas of disease, stigma, death, and survivor’s guilt, Dimitrov’s work revels in bodily fluids, lust, and risky sex. To say that isn’t to belittle the poetry of Thom Gunn, or to deny the importance and power of the work of Mark Doty, to name just two poets whose work was indelibly marked by the AIDS crisis. Rather, it’s to affirm, or reaffirm, the legitimacy of a vision of poetry that — like Rimbaud’s — is carefree, unapologetic, and uninhibited in its depiction of sex.
This attitude toward sex, which may seem irresponsible or even unethical from a lifestyle perspective, is one of the things that makes Begging for It feel like a milestone in American gay poetry. Certainly, Ginsberg “put [his] queer shoulder to the wheel,” and many who came after him have also written about their sexual experiences, either overtly or obliquely. (I often think of that beautiful but starkly sexual last line of James Merrill’s “A Renewal,” in which “Love buries itself in me, up to the hilt.”) Dimitrov, however, is a poet who came of age “after AIDS” — that is, after the “lost generation” of the 1980s and early ’90s. He represents a generation of young gay men who have reclaimed the legacy of the sexual revolution almost as though AIDS hadn’t intervened, and who reached puberty just as the internet gave them instant access to unlimited porn and the possibility of love — or at least a quick fuck — with someone they met in an online chat room. Determined to find his own truth, his own identity, from under the shadow of a previous generation’s problems, Dimitrov has no interest in preaching to us about safe sex: “The sex we want most will kill us,” he writes in “21st Century Lover”; “What part of me can I give you to sell?” This is bareback poetry: raw, unprotected, and dangerous — but exhilarating.
Just as importantly, Dimitrov is writing in an unprecedented era of gay acceptance. Consider the fact that “sodomy” was still a crime in 14 states just 10 years ago. The United States Supreme Court struck down sodomy laws in 2003 in Lawrence v. Texas, although they had upheld them as recently as 1986. Same-sex marriage, which had been a “wedge issue” credited (or blamed) for George W. Bush’s re-election in 2004, is now supported by a majority of Americans, a trend first confirmed by national polling in 2010. And gay characters and relationships on television are so common these days that they hardly seem newsworthy anymore. To put it in perspective, Dimitrov was 12 when Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet, and for many young gay Americans such touchstones are ancient history.
Perhaps Dimitrov’s work ultimately has less to do with these developments — or even with what we think of as “confessional” poetry — than with a culture that shares everything, often the most intimate details of private life, on Facebook and Twitter (not to mention Grindr, Scruff, Adam4Adam, and other gay “dating” apps). This is a culture that celebrates the individual, that allows that individual to achieve, through social media, a celebrity, a notoriety, even a large-scale following they would not otherwise be able to achieve. To put it more cynically, it’s a culture that fetishizes its narcissism.
Such fetishizing is explicit in “This is a Personal Poem,” where the speaker has to:
[…] guess at why things end,
we ruin things, we start and stall,
and all all all we do
is want.
He’s made up his mind “that I must leave you now, reader.” He even bears the blame, relying on that old stand by “It’s not you, it’s me.” But desire — that aimless, unquenchable “want” that is at the heart of Begging For It — appears here in its purest form, with no particular object, only itself.
In “Sleeping with Everyone,” Dimitrov says, “I should stop writing / personal poems.” But thankfully, he doesn’t. He wonders “if I should start doing pornography / for more money,” or whether:
[…] I could role-play
as a plumber or a psychotic
youngish writer who wears leather
and takes it real hard in a walk-up on Allen St.
But wait, that’s me!
Dimitrov’s speakers rarely seem coy. If they appear jaded, it is often the affected jadedness of the educated-but-bored, savvy-yet-starry-eyed millennial generation:
“In New York no one will do you a favor / unless you sleep with them / and then you may to have to sleep with them / again. And again after that.”
Even in the ostensibly less-personal poems — such as “This Is Not a Personal Poem” — Dimitrov gets personal. “Would you sleep with the poet who wrote this poem?” he asks half way through. Later, he confides, “I had an orgasm before writing this poem.” It’s as though, to paraphrase Rilke, here there is no such thing as TMI. But there is a subtle critique here, a smart-assed cheekiness that pokes fun at the very culture that informs it:
This poem wants you to like it,
please click “like.”
[…]
I’m so politically conscious
the word “politics” is in my poem.
[…]
Would you buy this book? Click here.
There’s a double-edged irony in such lines, coming from the poet whose blog contains just such a link to Amazon.com. Self-critique turns into self-promotion and then, just as quickly, returns to critique. In the poem’s last lines, Dimitrov manages to encapsulate the inescapable oxymoron that Facebook, Twitter, Grindr, and other platforms can feel intensely personal and coldly impersonal at the same time:
This is not a personal poem.
This poem is only about Alex Dimitrov.
That same paradox might apply to the collection as a whole. Dimitrov reads widely, and that reading tends to shape his conception of poetry’s “big ideas,” love and death — with the result that some of his love poems inevitably feel less personal, less visceral, and more intellectualized than the fleshier, more explicit poems about fucking. “Sontag,” he says in “The Burning Place,” “recognized love is about submission.” In “A Lover’s Discourse,” he writes, “Roland Barthes reminded me / I am a prisoner condemned to death // before he is led to the scaffold.” He even invokes Montaigne in “To the Thirsty I Will Give Water” (“It is not death, it is dying / that alarms me”). Occasionally, these cameos can feel a bit forced — but sometimes they result in powerful images, such as the apotheosis at the end of “Passage,” where a vision of Hart Crane, another of Dimitrov’s patron saints of queer poetry, forces the speaker to
try to remember
the beginning of beauty […]
before this man who sings
for the drowning, touches my lips,
and I ignite.
Equally startling is a series of self-portraits in which the author appears in drag, posing as female literary and film icons. Drag has long been an important expressive outlet for gay men and plays a prominent role in 21st century gay culture, from performers like Lady Bunny, to Brother Boy in Sordid Lives, to the reality show RuPaul’s Drag Race. For Dimitrov, as for most drag queens, the adopted persona is a means of pushing the boundaries of a static identity. (“Once at a New York loft party a famous poet said, / ‘You are your author photo,’” he writes in “James Franco.” Dimitrov’s author photo — dark hair disheveled, a few days’ stubble, the leather jacket with upturned collar, the sultry bedroom eyes cruising the reader — is as brilliantly staged as the photo of him reclining on Proust’s grave, or another one where he’s wrapped himself in the American flag: exactly the kind of iconic self-mythologizing perfected by Walt Whitman in well over a hundred portraits he sat for during his lifetime.)
These three self-portraits give Dimitrov an opportunity to explore the darkly feminine facets of his psyche. “In the theater of bitters / where we sharpen, // I am your favorite actress,” he writes in “Self-Portrait as Brigitte Bardot in Contempt.” (Jean-Luc Godard’s 1963 film, in which Bardot’s character becomes increasingly estranged from her husband after falling for the producer who hired him to rework the script of a film version of The Odyssey, is a classic of the French New Wave.) “Even our own end loves us,” Dimitrov/Bardot says, as she bestows on the beloved “this gift, this black collar // I tighten around your neck, this final kindness.”
Later on he appears as Brett Ashley, the symbol of relaxed sexual mores in Hemingway’s novel The Sun Also Rises. Again, there is a sense of bitterness — a key component in any good drag queen’s repertoire — when she says, “Life could be darling, I thought during my cigarette.” But it isn’t, of course — and the average cigarette only lasts about four minutes anyway. As Daisy Buchanan, from The Great Gatsby, Dimitrov wonders (while sipping a cocktail, Chopin playing in the background), “Why does it feel easier to live during a sonata?” Through Daisy’s voice, we can hear the Wilde Boy’s salon anxiety:
It is early in the century and all the men are late.
I wait for everyone to leave the party.
For the music to end.
To feel the last note.
But Dimitrov also includes a self-portrait without drag — in fact, it’s a “Self-Portrait Without the Self,” another personal poem masquerading as impersonal, or vice versa. Then again, perhaps the self is always just another drag persona, one that exists “On the edges of the body,” with “every part of me, slanted // as if toward another body”:
I want what isn’t mine
and what will not last.
And yes, your heart will not last.
Nothing lasts, of course. These are carpe diem poems for the 21st century. “With a little rod / I did but touch the honey of romance,” Wilde wrote in that opening poem from his first book. Dimitrov goes quite a bit farther than that, putting his sexuality on display like few American poets before him: “Put your money on this poem,” Dimitrov urges us; “I love the money shot.” He promised his patron saint he wouldn’t disappoint, and he makes good on his word. He also claimed, in his 2011 feature in BOMB, that he’d “take a bullet for Oscar Wilde.” I imagine there are plenty of gay boys in America who would take a bullet for Alex Dimitrov — or at least hold his gun.
Of course, there are many poems in Begging for It that deal at least as much with love as with getting laid or getting off. There are poems of heartbreak, such as “Minor Miracles,” in which he begs the boy to “remove the knife— / but sweetly, sweetly,” and then orders him to “Burn the bed / in which I no longer wait for you.” He’s moved on, or wants us to think he has — but moving on isn’t always so easy. In “After Love,” he admits: “In the first poem I wrote after you left, I killed you”:
But this is the poem I’ve kept —
it’s years ago and we’re in bed.
Night slips into morning and I realize
I’ve woken up early again to watch you dress,
to remember you,
even though you’re right there, next to me.
And if we are right there next to him, begging for it, who can blame us? Dimitrov is a vital new energy in American poetry, one who loves us, degrades us, gives us what we want, what we need, what we can’t live without. He reminds us that we can be lonely and love it, that “Maybe [we] don’t want uncomplicated happiness,” that there is a place
[w]here there is no you or I
and our veins, like graves, are opening
for what will open in us.
We start and finish one another with a kiss,
a look. We do it ruthlessly and all the time.
¤
Jeremy Glazier lives in Columbus, Ohio, where he is Associate Professor of English at Ohio Dominican University.
Begging for It
By Alex Dimitrov
Published 2013-03-12 00:00:00
Four Way Books
96 Pages
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Quoted in Sidelights: “Dimitrov’s obsessions—loneliness, knowledge, intimacy, time—do mist his early work, but in Together and by Ourselves they are fully-throated, devastatingly apprehended, like a dialogue between lovers that finally reaches an apex,” commented Nathan Blansett in the online Adroit Journal. The book is a “resounding pleasure,” Blansett related, adding: “The adjectives readily assemble themselves, but do little to replicate the unique and original experience of reading his work.”
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“I Need You to Check Your Eyes”: Alex Dimitrov Gets Intimate
By Aaron Goldsman
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MAY 11, 2017
I FIRST RAN ACROSS Alex Dimitrov in an odd New York Times profile by Patrick Huguenin published in November 2011. Titled “Rhyme or Reason: For Poetry or Maybe a Hot Date,” the piece was a sometimes fawning, sometimes condescending feature on the now-defunct Wilde Boys salon, which Dimitrov started in 2009 just after completing an MFA at Sarah Lawrence. A venue for young, queer poets to read their work and flirt over flutes of champagne, the salon’s appearance in the august pages of the Times signaled its cresting relevance in a certain corner of the US poetry world. It also helped secure Dimitrov’s status as a “rising young poet,” soon confirmed by the publication of his first collection, Begging for It, by Four Way Books in 2013.
What struck me about Huguenin’s profile when I first read it, and what still does as I look it over today, is the bemusement of the author at the mix of art and sex suggested by his account of the salon. The central hook for the piece is the idea that Dimitrov started the salon, at least partially, to cruise. “I invited the cute gay poets right away,” he reports Dimitrov saying. “I sort of had a list of gays that I wanted to come, and some of them that I wanted to sleep with.” For the Times, Dimitrov’s camp pose seems to be a titillating novelty, but to me, this statement proposes the familiar mix of art and flirtation to be expected from a poet who self-consciously places himself within the queer legacy of the New York School. For Frank O’Hara, one of the school’s so-called “first generation” members, poetry was often a medium for intimate exchange, part of the work of seduction. O’Hara lays this out in his tongue-in-cheek manifesto, “Personism,” in which he advocates for a poetry that eschews the idea of a general audience and addresses itself to one person instead. Such a method, O’Hara writes, “puts the poem squarely between the poet and the person, Lucky Pierre style, and the poem is correspondingly gratified.” As O’Hara goes on to point out, “[t]he poem is at last between two persons instead of two pages.” We’ve come a long way from Wordsworth’s emotions recollected in tranquility; O’Hara’s perverse lyric is a sort of ménage à trois, capable of both giving and receiving pleasure.
O’Hara’s image is meant to be somewhat absurd — he was a poet that shied away from making self-serious, grand statements — but it gets at something important for his work, and for that of Dimitrov. Note that the poem, as Lucky Pierre, both joins and separates the poet and his addressee. It is a conduit for intimacy, and a powerful one, but it nonetheless keeps the two bodies separated from one another. If Dimitrov’s first book captured the ecstatic pleasure of literary frottage — the poet rubbing up against the poem — his new collection, Together and by Ourselves, is more keyed to a feeling of resignation: language may be intimate, even sexy, but it always interposes a distance between what it is meant to join.
This almost tragic awareness of poetry’s affordances and limits is no more evident than in Dimitrov’s multimedia project, Night Call, in which the poet solicited invitations online to give private readings in the bedrooms of strangers. Those interested sent a note via email to set up a time for Dimitrov either to drop by in person or, if geographical distance was an issue, through the mediated intimacy of Skype. Many of the poems from the project made it into the new collection, including one that shares its name, and which offers a kind of motto for the experiment as a whole: “You can watch me while I read you something. / You can have me while I’m here.” Presenting himself directly to his reader, Dimitrov aims to achieve O’Hara’s dreamed-of intimacy; the poem is ultimately between two people instead of two pages. As is the case throughout Together and by Ourselves, however, Dimitrov tempers this utopian impulse toward proximity with a counterweight of skepticism, even foreboding:
My voice had nothing to say after the beep.
Or let me show you: unlimited intimacy
is a kind of poison.
Highlighting the inevitable note of impersonality injected into any linguistic exchange — that note made literal here in the form of the tone that ends a voicemail greeting — Dimitrov works the edge between the felt closeness of direct address and the essential instability of the second-person pronoun. Any “you” can only remain you, dear reader, for so long. Like a faithless lover, it soon has its eye on someone new, a different addressee sitting in a different bed hearing the same poem. Hence the creeping toxicity of “unlimited intimacy”; like any narcotic, the intoxicating rush that contact offers is laced with the specter of dependency, the prospect of loss, and the onset of shuddering withdrawal.
Even when Dimitrov isn’t explicitly playing a game of hide-and-seek with the anonymous reader, his poems are sharply aware of the boundaries they approach but cannot quite overcome. He has a particular knack for staging the scene of his poetry’s writing as it unfolds — another tactic borrowed from the New York School, first developed by O’Hara and later perfected by James Schuyler. While acknowledging that “every poem with people is for them,” Dimitrov rarely misses an opportunity to point out the interruption introduced by the act of writing, the distance between writing for and writing to:
This is the nineteenth line of the poem.
I am waiting for you to look at me.
Sun bleaches the paper.
Time slides through the flesh.
Someone on the corner is imprinting the building
with a kind of humanity
just by touching it.
We are often in mirrors and small in this suffering.
This is never enough. And of course I’m still here
waiting for you to look at me.
As the reader waits expectantly for the poet’s eye to alight on his or her own, Dimitrov presents himself in process as hungering for, and failing to get, someone’s attention. As he writes in “You Were Blond Once,” the collection’s first poem: “Every book is a book, a thing you feel by yourself. / You are here. I am alone in this poem.” We, by implication, are alone there as well.
Given that this is a book about the distances between people and the means we have for traversing them, it is unsurprising that travel figures largely throughout the collection. In part, this attention to motion chronicles Dimitrov’s itinerant lifestyle, shuttling between New York and Los Angeles, stopping at various cities in between for readings and talks. It is also an occasion for Dimitrov to register the personal dislocations of travel, the way it can separate one not only from others, but from oneself as well. At times this can feel a bit maudlin, as when Dimitrov, in answer to a stranger’s question about where he lives, replies, “I don’t know what you mean’s what I told him. / It’s more simple than that. I’m just passing through.” Elsewhere, however, Dimitrov more closely gets at what is at stake in all this wandering:
I need you to check your eyes
and make sure you’re seeing this clearly
when you’re seeing me often
in stairwells, hotel rooms, the car or these bars.
To be in constant motion is to risk failing to be seen, or, more precisely, to be seen clearly, as more than a blur of travel and cross-country commitments. In these moments, Dimitrov keenly highlights the double bind of an experience of self grounded, ultimately, in relation to others. He needs your eyes in order to see himself, even as he flees over the horizon. The understated polysemy of the verb “to check” — to send along, as with luggage; to halt another’s advances, as in a body check — underscores his point: Dimitrov both invites those eyes along with him on his travels, and insists they stay behind.
It is in this ambivalent disappearing act that Dimitrov’s work is at its strongest. The mixture of need and resignation signaled by the “now you see me, now you don’t” effect of the poems is reflected even in his prosody, which avoids enjambment in favor of end-stopped lines, the poems often taking the form of a series of apparently disconnected, aphoristic asides. In this respect, he has shed some of the markers of O’Hara’s influence so present in his first book. In place of O’Hara’s “corrupt / concrete Rimbaud obscurity of emotion” — a memorable phrase from the poet’s fabulous love poem, “You Are Gorgeous and I’m Coming” — Together and by Ourselves pursues a poetics more in line with the knottier, opaque work of John Ashbery or Barbara Guest. While I hate to use this word, particularly in relation to a queer poet (for how long have people been telling both queers and poets to “grow up”?), I’m tempted to call this new collection “mature”: thoughtful, focused, and confident in its voice. My only caveat is that, while maturation suggests a line of development with an implied destination, a working toward self-realization and adulthood, Dimitrov’s poems don’t seem terribly concerned about arriving anywhere in particular. Like their peripatetic speaker, they are most themselves in flux and on the move, intimate and strange like a one night stand. Dimitrov’s queer tact is in his choice neither to celebrate nor to condemn this state of affairs, for both himself and his poems. Instead, he presents his various corridors as rooms, and invites us to linger there as he tests the knob of yet another door.
¤
Aaron Goldsman is a PhD candidate and curator based in Atlanta, Georgia.
Together and by Ourselves
By Alex Dimitrov
Published 04.04.2017
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Quoted in Sidelights: “I’m tempted to call this new collection ‘mature’: thoughtful, focused, and confident in its voice. My only caveat is that, while maturation suggests a line of development with an implied destination, a working toward self-realization and adulthood, Dimitrov’s poems don’t seem terribly concerned about arriving anywhere in particular. Like their peripatetic speaker, they are most themselves in flux and on the move, intimate and strange like a one night stand.”
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REVIEW: ON "TOGETHER AND BY OURSELVES" BY ALEX DIMITROV (COPPER CANYON PRESS, 2017) /APRIL 24, 2017
by Nathan Blansett | Guest Reviewer.
Copper Canyon Press, Alex Dimitrov.
Copper Canyon Press, Alex Dimitrov.
The test of modern painting, John Cage wrote in a leaflet on Robert Rauschenberg in 1953, was its ability to avoid being “destroyed by the action of shadows.” Referencing Rauschenberg’s White Paintings, which debuted that October in New York, Cage meant to suggest that their avant-gardism lay in their receptivity—to the environment and the contemplations of the audience. The shadows on their monochromatic surfaces didn’t destroy the paintings. They affirmed them.
“And you. You, you, you / you can read these lines in any order / because I want to leave nothing out / and there’s nothing here,” Alex Dimitrov writes in “Some New Thing,” a poem in his second collection, Together and by Ourselves, published in April by Copper Canyon. Like Cage’s avant-gardism, the identical long stanzas of Dimitrov’s new poems behold a sensitivity to every aspect of experience. The poems are not concerned with the artifice of a singular narrative thrust; like interior monologue, their disconnected lines try to capture the mind’s entirety.
In the four years since Begging For It (“decidedly a young man’s book,” Publisher’s Weekly wrote), his differentiation of style evokes Louise Glück’s intense maturation between her debut book, Firstborn (1968), and second, The House on Marshland (1975). Dimitrov’s obsessions—loneliness, knowledge, intimacy, time—do mist his early work, but in Together and by Ourselves they are fully-throated, devastatingly apprehended, like a dialogue between lovers that finally reaches an apex:
Lucky or not, we were riding in cars through the seasons.
I read you Baudelaire. I have more memories than a thousand years.
And our skin began to look like a puzzle
despite lighting or pleasures (“Champagne”).
In five symmetrical acts, the arc of Dimitrov’s bicoastal book lifts like a plane from the earth. The Los Angeles poems, primarily in the book’s second section, exist like photographic negatives—not underdeveloped, but inverted, the speaker nearly vanishing: “In the morning our photos looked darker than us / and the subject we were was a gamble (I know)” (“Lindsay Lohan”). That isn’t to say they are not compelling or personal in their voyeuristic evocations of American celebrity and vice; they are: “Although it was beautiful, the dialogue revealed little about anyone else” (“Los Angeles, NY”). At their best, such as in “The Last Luxury, JFK, Jr.,” Dimitrov locates a place where “on the way there, somewhere between floors, no velocity could recover us.” But the New York poems, their social nocturnes, have the greatest auras. Perhaps because a sense of intimate finality infuses them: “People walked out through doors / and through letters, through looks across rooms, / gifts that gave nothing of what they withheld, / what they couldn’t give back” (“Out of Some Other Paradise”).
Dimitrov’s art is obsessed with people and what belongs to them: their memories, their intimacies, their exiles, and their material and nonmaterial things. His book spends itself in description: “The window open all day: rain on the white desk, wood floor, / that strange curve on the back of your head (only I knew),” he writes in the opening prologue poem (“You Were Blonde Once”). That parenthetical aside is crucial to the book’s emotional arc—with each page turned, Dimitrov’s speaker becomes more and more affected by the great errors of “people and how they described each other… / incomparable to the sea” (“Gentleman’s Hour”). Even language, the usage of which is revenge against meaninglessness, fails and limits. “This is what he looked like, you said to them, / handing over a photo [...] / Nothing—not even the nothing— gets written by us” (“Biography”).
But the book doesn’t purely exist in this strata of longing and agitation. “There are minutes of peace,” Dimitrov writes in the title poem. There are minutes of amorous argument and defense:
The leaves. In their temporary dying,
give a rich background to people taking each other to bed.
Why would I give up the physical world?
[...]
My tongue, I have found, is warmer
than any sentence I’ve wanted to feel.
And what I have wanted, I should try to forget.
So I stay;
don’t you think so—where else would we go,
what is open this late?
I have waited all day just to see you.
In the darkest part of the water.
I see you in the darkest part of the water and swim (“A Living”).
The resounding pleasure of Dimitrov’s work locates itself at the intersections of distance and libertinism, of sensitivity and emotionalism. His ruinous lines are at once nonchalantly vague and strikingly specific: “When we met,” he writes, “you kept me up saying very few things” (“Together Alone”). The adjectives readily assemble themselves, but do little to replicate the unique and original experience of reading his work.
Together and by Ourselves ends with a long poem, “Days and Nights,” which functions as a kind of envoi. It is an extreme version of the book’s uninterrupted style, a graceful temporal movement of six pages, an assertion of a life on the page, which is what this book is. It was Sontag, who, in a television interview, said, “But if someone would say, ‘Oh, you can write this book, but you can’t publish it,’ well, you know, I’d want to cut my throat. Of course the book is for people. The book is meant to be shared.” These poems admiringly commit themselves to publicness but still, like any art, veil parts of themselves, and come from a place of necessity. As Dimitrov writes in “Alone Together”, “It cost me more than those evenings to see you; / more than a lifetime to see my own face.” Knowing oneself would logically precede being fully and unabashedly public; these poems revel in that work.
Nathan Blansett's poems appear in The Journal and New South. He is an undergraduate student at Emory University, and works as a gallery intern in Atlanta.
Posted in Critical Reviews Tags: alex dimitrov, together and by ourselves, poet, poem, poems, poetry, review, critical review, nathan blansett, copper canyon press
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